On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I've not yet decided on a DSLR, re Canon or Pentax. Doesn't matter yet, 
> because I can't afford one yet. Going to wait about a year for a drop in price, etc.
> 
> However, I do have the Elan 7e now and would like to be able to submit to the 
> PUG now and then before I get a DSLR.
> 
> So I'd like to pull a Cotty. :-)
> 
> Screwmount Pentax lenses work on the Elan -- others won't.
> 
> Anyone have a particular Takumar recommendation? I am not partial to 50mm, 
> seem to prefer either wide angle or 70mm or 90mm and above. Some go fairly 
> cheaply on ebay. 

In general SMC designs are sometimes a bit more evolved optically than 
Super-Takumars, although many are optically identical, and the coating
does make a difference.

Auto-Takumars and many Takumars do not have fully automatic diaphragms, 
which may be a hassle in use.  SMC Takumars and Super Takumars do, but of
course you will be using them in stopped-down manual mode anyway!

If you need an adapter with a glass element in it to make the screw-mount
lenses work on the Elan then you may experience poor corner performance at
wider apertures, especially with wide angles.  I'm using some of my S-T
lenses on a Nikon F3 with such a converter and they are fine at 5.6 or so 
but show adapter issues at wider stops.  Also, my glass-element converter
bumps into the metering lug on SMC screwmount lenses keeping them from 
mounting right, and into the rear element on most 50s and the 35/2.0 
keeping them from focusing properly--just a caution if your converter
has glass in it rather than being simply a tube.

As to recommendations:

SMC/S-T 28/3.5 is the best of the wide angles, almost equal to the best
28s anybody makes.
The 24/3.5 is weak in the corners and the 20/4.5 is really weak in the corners.
(Older ultra-wides without fancy aspheric elements and such had problems
getting good corner performance.  Everybody's lenses had these problems)

SMC/S-T 35/2.0 is a quite good wide angle.  The 35/3.5 looks like a cheap 
"beginner" lens and is not nearly as good.

If you do get a 50, go for a 50 and not a 55 which is a lesser optic.

SMC/S-T 105/2.8 has a fine reputation, as does SMC 150/4.0 (there are two
versions of S-T 150/4.0, #2 sharper than #1).  SMC 135/2.5 has two 
versions, #2 sharper than #1 (which is the same as the S-T 135/2.5), and 
#2 is presumably the same optics as the well-regarded Pentax K 135/2.5.

SMC 85/1.8 is a legend for sharpness, and is expensive used.  Auto-Takumar
85/1.8 is NOT the same lens!  SMC/S-T 85/1.9 is supposedly soft wide-open
in a portrait lens kind of way as the Pentax M 85/2.0 is.  SMC 120/2.8
is apparently deliberately soft wide open for use as a portrait lens.

SMC/S-T 200/4.0 is a decent lens but very big for its focal length and 
aperture.  SMC/ST 300/4.0 is a very good lens and a more reasonable size
for what it is (meaning it is a hair bigger than the butch 200, but not
much larger than anybody else's MF 300/4.0).  

DJE

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