Boris's shots did show shadows cast by what looked
to be a flash mounted directly on a hot shoe.  Sometimes
this can work out OK, usually not.  I've sometimes
gotten a shot where this works in vertical, but it's
a bit of a crap shoot.  It's a good idea to consider
which WAY to shoot the vertical, as shutter button
up or down also puts the shoe flash left/right.

I think you've got a chance of direct flash working out
well when one or more of the following is going on:
dragging the shutter a bit, the subject is well away
from other objects, the flash is told to underexpose.
I would add using a diffuser except that I don't own one,
so cannot comment from experience.

Shadows in that situation may help mould the face,
even with vertical shots,  without causing distractingly
obvious shadows on nearby background things.

-Lon

Bruce Dayton wrote:
Shel,

I would say that we are in violent agreement then.  There are
certainly reasons to use flash, but what Boris was shooting was
severely affected by the flash.  My first choice is to not use flash,
but when the situation warrants it, I use it.  The shots Boris showed
were not the right situation.


Bruce




Friday, January 23, 2004, 7:59:14 PM, you wrote:

SB> Bruce ...

SB> Weddings are a different type of photography, Paul's product shots are different,
SB> too.  What Boris was trying to do, and what I was addressing, is different.  In
SB> such situations, and in such type of photography, flash is definitely a detriment.
SB> All the "naturalness" goes out of the photograph.
SB> Weddings are planned events, photographs MUST be produced, product shots are
SB> controlled events ... photos in pool halls, bars, and on the street just happen ...
SB> unless they have been set up, and that brings us back to photography being like
SB> weddings and product shots.  I don't want my people to look like a product, and I
SB> certainly don't want them to feel that way.  People at weddings expect flash; a
SB> lady quietly nursing her drink at the Hotsy Totsy club is gonna be really fried
SB> when that blast of light startles her, and I'll be a very sad photographer for
SB> being thrown out of the bar for disturbing the patrons.

SB> shel

SB> Bruce Dayton wrote:


Then there is all those times when the wedding is at noon and pictures
are right before or after.  Some of them can use fill flash - even in
the shade - to put a tiny catchlight in the eyes or to soften a harsh
shadow.  Of course, receptions tend to be quite dim.  There are shots
there that are required to take and without supplemntal (flash)
lighting, there would be some very unhappy clients.

I agree that whenever possible, don't use flash and don't over do it,
but I have need for flash.









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