Shel Belinkoff mused:
> 
> We had a discussion about this some time ago, and a couple of people (John
> Francis comes to mind as one) suggested that this is not always the case,
> and that degradation of image quality takes place only in certain
> circumstances.  My recollection is that if a JPEG has not been changed, but
> just opened for vieweing and then saved, there is no image degradation.

Not true, in general. I may have been pointing out that the JPEG specification
allowed for the theoretical possibility of rotations (in units of 90 degrees)
without the necessity of re-quantising the image.  But most image editing
applications will re-save (using their own set of favourite parameters, which
might well not match those chosen by whatever created the image originally),
and introduce new degradations.  Opening a JPEG file, and the saving it to
a new destination file, is a really bad way to copy image files around :-(

> I also seem to recall that if only a small area has been changed, such as 
> making an adjustment to one feature in the image, only that portion which
> has been adjusted suffers.  This seems like a good time to clear this up ...

Again, not true in general.  If making no changes introduces error, then just
making changes to a small area in the image is unlikely to be able to do better.
 
> Not all image viewers will "unpack" a JPEG when viewed.  Photoshop does (at
> least recent versions of it) but, for example, Irfan doesn't.

Yes it does - if it didn't, you wouldn't be able to view the image.  What
Photoshop is doing (that Irfan apparently does not do) is telling you the
size of the in-memory copy of the image.

No image application changes the on-disk version of the file (which I what
I guess you are thinking of when you talk about unpacking a JPEG file).
If it were necessary to modify the file, you'd have serious difficulties
trying to view files stored on read-only media such as a CD!

> 
> Shel 
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Steve Jolly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 
> > Yes, with the important difference that the jpeg packing process 
> > degrades the image quality each time you save it.  The advantage of this 
> > is that it makes the file sizes much smaller than a "lossless" 
> > compression format such as compressed TIF.
> >
> > S
> >
> > Jens Bladt wrote:
> > > So, a Jpeg is like a zip file, packing itself when saved, unpacking when
> > > opended?
> 
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