Just to add a little to the below argument:
Quoting John Shaw ("one of the best nature photographers around" -
American Photographer): "You may want to save some flawed slides for
personal reasons, but otherwise get rid of them. I keep a large
wastebasket next to my lightbox and many a time it has been filled with
throwaways." - The Nature Photographers Complete Guide to Professional
Field Techniques
When I shot slides, I threw away anything that I thought was a crappy
shot... unless (here's my personal reason) it was my only shot of a
rare or elusive subject. With digital now, I tend to keep more because
storage is easier and cheaper.
Christian
Kenneth Waller wrote on 12/30/2004, 4:36 PM:
> Shel,
> What I said related to the three professional outdoor/nature
> photographers I
> know personally.
> These guys shoot slide film exclusively (or use to, one has gone totally
> over to digital & the other two are somewhere between all film & all
> digital).
> When I have shot with them they are very measured in what they will
> shoot.
> They all work the hell out of a subject/composition and when back at the
> editing light table they will mostly toss those images that aren't
> exactly
> what they want. In some cases they are so sure of what they are shooting
> they will shoot many "in - camera duplicates" (same settings of the same
> composition) to cover the needs they believe they will have for a
> specific
> image.
>
> I never said they didn't take unusable images. Their definition of
> unusable
> is different than yours or mine.
> I never said they had 100% hit rate. They make their living doing this &
> even with free film they don't waste their time or energy if they
> don't have
> to.
> These guys are way beyond "shooting to learn", not to say they don't
> have to
> stop & ponder a particular photographic situation, they have been there
> before.
> The amount of shooting these guys do almost takes the fun out of it
> for me.
>
> Kenneth Waller
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Subject: Re: Who has an istDS?
>
>
> > So, are you saying that these pros either used every shot on a roll of
> film
> > or that, if there were some they'd not use, they were cut out of the
> > negative strips, deleted from contact sheets, and tossed, never to
> be seen
> > again? I can just imagine a photographer having shot a roll 220 film
> going
> > through the negs or transparencies and deciding that this or that frame
> was
> > not going to work, getting out a pair of scissors, cutting out that
> frame
> > or two, and tossing it. Sorry, I don't buy it. And I don't buy the
> idea
> > that every shot a photographer makes is usable immediately, and if it's
> not
> > it then has no value to the photographer. No one has a 100% hit
> rate, I
> > don't care how good a photog they may be. Even if you're a perfect
> > photographer, always getting perfect framing, perfect light, and
> perfect
> > exposures, there's always something that can ruin a shot or make one
> less
> > desirable or marketable than another.
> >
> > Shooting to "learn" is sometimes a different situation, but unless the
> > results are saved, the learning process is truncated. How can the
> photog
> > go back and compare the result from the photos made this month with the
> > ones made a month or two earlier and see where and how improvement has
> been
> > accomplished, if at all.
> >
> > Shel
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[email protected]>
> > > Date: 12/29/2004 12:24:27 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Who has an istDS?
> > >
> > > On 12/29, Shel caused the following to appear on my CRT -
> > > >"No, pros didn't throw away the bad ones. They were saved on
> contact
> > > sheets
> > > > and negatives, and became valuable tools in both the editing
> process
> and
> > > > helping the photographer understand the shooting process."
> > >
> > > Not the practice of the several pro outdoor photogs I know. They long
> ago
> > > stopped shooting things they know wouldn't sell & they have shot
> enough,
> > > under most conditions, that there are very few situations they aren't
> > > photographically familiar with.
> > >
> > > If what you say were true then the current digital pro would most
> likely
> > be
> > > saving all digital images shot to learn the shooting process.
> > >
> > > Kenneth Waller
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 2:34 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Who has an istDS?
> > >
> > >
> > > > No, pros didn't throw away the bad ones. They were saved on
> contact
> > > sheets
> > > > and negatives, and became valuable tools in both the editing
> process
> and
> > > > helping the photographer understand the shooting process. many
> photogs
> > > > "shoot to a climax" and having all the frames available is most
> helpful.
> > > > And sometimes, years later, the "bad one" could turn out to be a
> money
> > > > maker, or have some value for a client.
> >
> >
>
--
Christian
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