Quoting Jostein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Collin, > > May I humbly suggest that you pour out your "rational and reasoned > concern" about GPL software propagating marxist ideas somewhere else? > Dragging your religious views into it isn't exactly going to help your > case either.
This hardly looks fair, Jostein. Wasn't Collin commenting on other people's posts, both about Marxism and Christianity? I think he's as entitled to express his opinions on those subjects as anyone else, as long as he's being polite about it, which he was. ERNR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Collin Brendemuehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <pentax-discuss@pdml.net> > Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 6:09 PM > Subject: Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya. > > > >> Quoting Jostein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> > >> > > >> > Quoting Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> > > >> > > American Marxist phobia is actually more a thing of the fifties > >> > > and > >> > > sixties. It's really quite dead. However, there are little > >> > > pockets of > >> > > folks with rather extreme views who keep it alive in bits and > >> > > pieces, > >> > > here and there. That's probably true of any system of beliefs > >> > > anywhere > >> > > in the world. > >> > > >> > Sadly, yes. I'd even opt for leaving out the "probably". :-( > >> > > >> > What puzzles me in this particular case is just the anachronistic > >> > nature of > >> > the > >> > phobia... :-) > >> > > > > Obfuscating the discussion by talking about "free beer" only avoids > > the issue. > > > > The revolutionary era of the 60s stood out because of the violence. > > Maybe more recently people have heard of the Shining Path & Castro. > > > > Not long ago I went to the reasonably prestigous Ohio State > > University here in Columbus looking to enroll in the EE program. > > WRT the program, it's impressive. > > > > But in the broader curriculum was a required course. It was a > > course in dialectics. And on the shelf of the counselor I talked to > > was her notebook distinctly labelled "MARX". Unlikely it concerned > > old toys or movies. > > > > Marxism is a philosophy. Communism is a form of government derived > > from it. So is National Socialism. And western Socialism. All are > > "Marxist" by definition, in one component or another. Whether it's > > redistribution of wealth, egalitarianism, the "green" movement, the > > "peace" movement, whatever mechanism is its expression, the > > philosophy is the dominant perspective in most if not all > > governmental educational systems. > > > > When John Kerry would, in the last presidential campaign, speak of > > our government as a "democracy" and Bush would use the term > > "republic", the divergence of their world views was clarified. > > > > /* THE POINT */ > > To deny its existence because of a form adaptation is to miss the > > reality of its influence. It is endemic enough to be missed as it > > doesn't stand out as distinct. It is now dominant. > > /* THE POINT */ > > > > For those wanting to understand it in its simplicity, the clearest > > expression of a Marxist philosophy in pop culture would be John > > Lennon's "Imagine". > > > > As far as Christianity is involved, "The Challenge of Marxism" by > > Klaus Bockmuehl would be a good read. Published by Intervarsity > > Press. > > > > There is no phobia here. No irrational fear that they're going to > > invade my house and take all of my possessions. It's a rational and > > reasoned concern. > > > > Collin (subvert the dominant marxist) Brendemuehl > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > Sent via the WebMail system at mail.safe-t.net > > > > > > > > > > > >
