In the case of 1 thru 7 you listed below, its not like that really. satisfaction has nothing to do with it. Its all about meeting description. If a seller says excellent and its actually missing a part or has a functional defect than its not excellent. IT DOESN'T MATTER that if seller didn't know, its their responsibility to know before they claim its in excellent condition.
So yes it usually IS and either or condition, it either MEETS all claims made the desription or it doesn't... Sure there are a lot of gray areas and most people including myself wont argue that kind minor stuff ( like very good vs. very good plus cosmetics etc) but when a seller claims something works and it doesn't or a seller claims mint and its very used/worn or a seller claims original and it's a copy, etc etc etc, its their problem for making the false claims and its their loss on the shipping, return shipping, ebay fees etc because they did not list it properly. Being an "auction" does not remove that responsibilty and the buyer does not have to accept it and CAN negoiate discount if they still want it and that not unethical or unfair to do so IMHO. The buyer does NOT " have to take his chances" and eat the falsely advertised item just because it was an ebay "auction". The way to prevent these problams/losses as a seller is to be very careful and conservative in the grading and descriptions. The way to prevent the problem as a buyer is to ask questions and look for high positive feedbacks. But I don't think its right for you to say that a buyer should accept the unacceptable and not attempt refund/renegoiate just because it was ebay auction and that's how it works, that's NOT how it works. JCO -----Original Message----- From: Wigwam Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 3:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Opinions wanted, ebay item condition > Sorry Wigwam but you have got it all WRONG. Ebay is like > any other mail order purchase. No, it is not. You are in error. eBay is an online auction. Auction sellers can give a warrantee if they like - that an item will meet the buyers specifications or a refund will be offered. Most auctions are conducted 'buy here, pay here' and 'as is, no refunds'. I grew up in the country, attending REAL auctions. That's how they work. I don't understand how people don't know that. >the seller has to deliver what he advertised. Yes. You assume an either/or condition. Either you get what you paid for, or you get nothing. There are an infinite variety of in-between points on that line. Examples: 1) You get what you paid for, you're happy. 2) You get what you paid for, but it is not as nice as you imagined it. You're basically happy. 3) You get something not quite as described - perhaps a different model than was listed. 4) You get something that has a flaw that went unnoticed by the seller. 5) You get something with a flaw that only a few experts in the world on that item could know to look for. 6) You get something, but it is not even close to what was listed. 7) You get nothing. 1 is wonderful, 7 is fraud. There are lots of conditions that are inbetween. You want the seller to eat: 1) His listing charge. 2) His shipping charge to send it to you. 3) Your shipping charge to send it back to him. 4) The Paypal fee he paid so you could pay via Paypal. In the case of fraud, sure. I'm with you. In the case of you being a nitpicky SOB, I'd say...something unprintable. People do not understand auctions. Weird. And yes, saying 'give me a discount or I'll give you a negative feedback' is dishonest and extortion. My opinion. If you can do it and look at yourself in the mirror, good for you.
