This is just too much. if these lenses
are selling anywhere for anything more
that ZERO than they are not obsolete.
Lets see if I get that right, ALL
those people buying K/M lenses on ebay just 
buy them because they insane and they
just toss them is the garbage can when
they arrive? - GET OUT OF HERE with
that lame reply

I now repost your "reasons" from the last post :
=================================================================
TOM REESE WROTE:
Advancing technology justified their decisions. The old lenses were
obsolete. The company assumed (correctly) that almost everyone would want
autofocus lenses with their new cameras. You don't put model T engines in a
Ford Mustang. Lens design technology with aspherical glass, autofocus,
internal focusing, non-rotating front elements etc had progressed to the
point where the company didn't think it made any sense to use the old glass
on the new cameras. They were right. It doesn't make any sense.
=================================================================
What makes all of this moot is that first, K/M lenses
have some of these technologies you are implying
they don't, and second, it doesn't matter what Pentax
( and apparently you ) assume if the assumption is
wrong. They got so much backlash from total lack of
KM support in the beginning they had to deliver
an emergency bandaid patch ( green button ) just to save
face over their ( and your) incorrect assumption. If
these things you contend were actually true why was that even
necessary? It wouldn't have been necessary, and guess
what that means PENTAX AND YOU were wrong in that
assumption..

"Obsolete" lenses don't sell for big bucks and 
companies don't put out bandaid patches for problems
that don't exist. 

And BTW, I will assume that since you havent
responded to the second item you contended
which I ALSO argued was wrong, ALL WRONG
means you now agree with me on thatr matter? And its not
irrellavant because it shows your lack
of understanding of the whole K/M support
issue. We are talking about millions of 
lenses here. Really good and some even truly GREAT 
PENTAX BRAND LENESES. Probably about
half of all they have ever made. And these
lenses are NOT obsolete ( see my arguments above).
They never were junk then and they arent junk
now. There is NO SENSE in pentax abandoning
THEIR OWN GOOD PRODUCTS without a good reason
to do so. The only reason I can possibly think
of is to sell new lenses to fool like you
who think old=obsolete and new=better.
These are possibilities not facts, if you
equate old=obsolete and new=better in all
cases you are making a huge FALSE assumption....
jco

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Reese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 9:15 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Camera engineering (was Re: Rename request)



> I am sorry sir but you are wrong on both counts.
>
> What is exactly "obsolete" about K/M lenses?

I just told you. You're too damned stubborn to listen.

> You cant just use the "old" label, you have
> to have solid reasons. If they were truly
> obsolete the would have zero market value
> and a quick check on ebay indicates quite
> the opposite.

eBay prices prove nothing other than a high level of stupidity among eBay
buyers. KEH has a large stockpile of M lenses that aren't selling. Adorama
has used M lenses that aren't selling.

> Secondly, your second ARGUMENT IS ALL WRONG.
> There are no compatablity issues in supporting
> K/M AE with the current mount.

You don't know that. Neither do I.  We have no idea what went on in the
Pentax engineering spaces. We don't know what Pentax has on their drawing
boards. We don't know what projects were aborted. We don't know what's been
designed into their lenses and cameras.

Tom Reese


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