There is not a cat in hell's chance of a constructive debate on Pentax's future. Every month Herb Chong posts some figures. Every month various people wail and gnash their teeth. Nothing new or enlightening ever emerges. Nobody knows what Pentax is planning, so instead we get fantasies and predictions of doom.

The Chongites think that Pentax might pull out of photography.

The rational souls note that Pentax is profitable, and not about to go down the plug-hole tomorrow. Further ahead, who knows what the future will bring? Nobody here, that's for sure.

It's all very boring and unconstructive.

The sensible thing is just to forget the whole issue.

John


On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 17:19:13 +0100, Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Well put, Tom. People are "not even talking about the same thing" here.

I believe most contributors in this and similar threads really want a
constructive debate on this important issue; the future of Pentax.

But for some reason the debate ends up in a dead end, people attacking each
other instead of discussing the issue.

Why is this happening, why does this debate end up like a dog fight, over
and over again? I think the answer is pretty strait forward. The debaters
are simply not listening to each other. That’s the reason why you're "not
even talking about the same thing".


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom C [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 2. oktober 2005 16:40
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...

And here I think is a key item in this discussion I'd like to bring to
peoples attention.  I'm not picking on Jens here, I promise.  He wrote:

>I am in fact a very proud owner of a *istD and a MZ-S.

The thing is, I'm a proud owner of Pentax equipment as well. No one here
is
attacking anyone's purchasing decision.  Keep on enjoying your Pentax
equipment.  If someone's self-esteem has been injured so that they must
defend Pentax no matter what, well I'm sorry.

The discussion seems to go:

Statement:  "I'm worried about Pentax and their future viability in the
market place".

The response seems to be:  "I like my Pentax camera, how dare you say
anything negative about Pentax".

We're not even talking about the same thing.

Tom C.






>Whenever I have some money to spend - I go for some nice glass. F. 2.8 or
>better, regardless of the focal length.
>Right now I'm testing a Sigma 2.8/70-200mm AP0. I'm considering a used FA
>2.8/80-200mm in stead.
>
>At first the MZ-D was predicted to have a price tag of 10.000 USD. I
would
>probably never get it anyway.
>The people who judge, buy or order my photographs never ask what camera
>brand I use.
>Only the photographs are of any interst.
>
>
>Jens Bladt
>Arkitekt MAA
>http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
>
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sendt: 1. oktober 2005 23:11
>Til: [email protected]
>Emne: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...
>
>
>That pretty well sums it up for me. Good post, John.
>Paul
>On Oct 1, 2005, at 4:05 PM, John Forbes wrote:
>
> > Tom,
> >
> > The continual negativism on this forum doesn't make it a better place,
> > and it certainly doesn't HELP Pentax.  What is does is to distort
> > people's assessment of Pentax's true position.
> >
> > You wouldn't think so from some of the posts, but Pentax is a
> > profitable company. It clearly went through a hard time when it was
> > forced to abandon the MZ-D, and I personally think it has bounced back > > from that rather well. A company with less financial muscle, and less > > commitment to photography, would have given up then. The fact that it
> > didn't speaks volumes.
> >
> > As the more level-headed members of this site point out, the current
> > DSLR range (the D, incidentally, is still available) meets the needs
> > of most people, even most PDML members. Yes, it would be nice to have > > extra bells and whistles, but most of us don't actually need them, and
> > many of us wouldn't pay very much for them. That's not to deny that
> > there are some photographers whose needs are clearly not well served
> > by the present line-up. However, they are a small minority, and with
> > luck (and a little time), the D replacement will address their
> > problems.
> >
> > It is noteworthy that there are now very few list members left who
> > have not bought a Pentax DSLR. Clearly, there must be something good
> > about them.
> >
> > In my view the Pentax DSLRs provide a much better picture-taking
> > experience than any 35mm film camera, and I expect my two D bodies to > > be active for some time to come, whatever the future of Pentax. That
> > means I will continue to buy lenses.
> >
> > John
> >
> > On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 20:20:45 +0100, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> In answer to your last question, yes I've perceived that to be the
> >> case sometimes, but not with the Chongwagon comment.  However, it's
> >> not all whining and negativism.  Some of it's an ongoing analysis
> >> and, yes, speculation regarding the future of the brand, and
> >> therefore the wisdom of future potential 'investments'.
> >>
> >> I single-handedly, and others who tend to share the same views, will > >> not make those views come true. Pentax, having marketed and produced > >> in the manner they have, are responsible for their image, ranking in
> >> the marketplace.
> >>
> >> Tom C.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> Reply-To: [email protected]
> >>> To: [email protected]
> >>> Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...
> >>> Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 19:38:16 +0100
> >>>
> >>> Which is a pretty big market if you think about it, in MF terms.
> >>>
> >>> Why don't you post a lot more negative messages about Pentax? That
> >>> way  you'll make your worst fears come true.
> >>>
> >>> It seems to me that in life we need a certain amount of optimism.
> >>> People  who get things done are optimists; people who whinge and
> >>> bellyache are not  nice to know and tend not to amount to much.
> >>>
> >>> Have you noticed that the most prolific posters of pictures on this
> >>> site,  and the best photographers, do not as a rule jump on the
> >>> Chongwagon.  They  just get on with life and take pictures.
> >>>
> >>> John
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 18:33:47 +0100, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Yep.  I can't see the market for a 645D being too much more than
> >>>> owners  of a film Pentax 645 system.
> >>>>
> >>>> Tom C.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>>> Reply-To: [email protected]
> >>>>> To: [email protected]
> >>>>> Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...
> >>>>> Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 10:45:48 +1000
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 30 Sep 2005 at 15:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> > Formats are only names now. A 645D would probably be no larger
> >>>>> or  heavier than
> >>>>> > the current Canon D1s Mark II, and Pentax has already said it's
> >>>>> sensor won't be
> >>>>> > true 645 dimensions. Most prosumers cameras and some pro models
> >>>>> will  probably
> >>>>> > remain APS-C. It's all just semantics. Paul
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The difference is that in reality by the time the 645D comes to
> >>>>> market  (if at
> >>>>> all) there will likely be very little advantage between a top end
> >>>>> Canon  DSLR
> >>>>> kit and the 645D technically. And if I had to buy a new set of
> >>>>> lenses  (which I
> >>>>> would if I had to buy a 645D to get anything remotely top end out
> >>>>> of  Pentax)
> >>>>> I'd definitely buy into the Canon system and I can't imagine other
> >>>>>  people in my
> >>>>> position not doing the same.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Rob Studdert
> >>>>> HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
> >>>>> Tel +61-2-9554-4110
> >>>>> UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
> >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>>> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
> >>>>> Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
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