Make it STOP! Maaaake it STOOOOOOOOOOP!!!!!
How many pinheads can dance on an angel....or something like that.
----- Original Message -----
From: "P�l Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: Professional
> John wrote:
>
> > What we said was pro=lots of pros use 'em (for the
> > reasons Mike detailed), non-pro=very few do (ditto).
> > Quality, in and of itself, was not at issue.
>
>
> I got that but what Mike is doing is applying a classic circular argument.
By saying Nikon and Canon are the only pro 35mm slr by applying as defining
criterias those criterias that only applies to Nikon and Canon you have bit
yourself in the tail.
> Taking it to the logical and downright silly conclusion; no non Nikon or
Canon can ever be a professional camera simply because what defines them
applies only to Nikon and Canon. The sillyness in such definition is
illustraed that a camera cannot be labeled professional until a significant
number of professional photographers have bought it. This means that when
the F5 was at the design stage or just reached the shop it was a strictly
amateur camera because a significant numbers of pros hadn't managed to buy
it yet. Similarly with the argument of complete acessory and lens line; when
the EOS1 was released it enjoyed a much more limited lens line up than
Pentax currently offers. Still Canon labeled it professional and most didn't
doubt it. The idea that a Camera needs a certain number of pros usinmg it,
and a certain number of lenses to be labeled pro, means that the EOS1
became a pro camera not at its introduction but somwhere in the mid 90's.
Silly? you bet!
>
> Guess what. Most of professional car transport by car is done with
products from GM and Ford. I guess you can label them professional cars -
they use exactly the same argument; you need a product you can trust,
servicing, loaners when you car is at service etc. I'm certain you can find
defining criterias that only apply to GM and Ford, who dominate this market,
for defining what deserves to be called professional transport.
>
> Its not important to me that the MZ-S is a professional camera. What I'm
saying is that the professional moniker is marketing bullshit; the only
thing that give this name tag any meaning is whether or not it can withstand
professional use and do the job the particular professional photographer has
in mind, regardless of what that job is. He doesn't have to shoot the
olympics. The MZ-S is as durable as an EOS1 but with stiffer body.
>
> The argument that the pro camera s should be able to deal with any
situation isn't true anylonger either. In the old days they could. With,
say, an F1 or an LX you could shoot 5fps when you wanted to. You could
remove the motor drive when going lighweight was important. In strong cold
you shoot without batteries. The view finders could be replaced to suit all
kinds of shooting. You could take it on top of Everest. The F5 and EOS1, are
heavy, more batteruy dependent and less modular. Almost all Nikon pros with
F5's use lighter backup camera simply because the F5 isn't idea for
everything.
> In the old days there were two things defining a professional camera apart
from built quality: a) Cutting the fat - no overload of technology and
features; simple operation; b) modular design and approach to features. The
F5 and EOS1 violates both these points. For whatever its worth, the MZ-S is
closer to the traditional pro slr because it adheres to point a) above:
"what you need is all you get".
>
> The whole thing boils down to that a professional camera is whatever Nikon
and Canon is currently marketing under that label. Thats a good definition
as any but not one I would subscribe to.
>
>
> P�l
>
> -
> This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe,
> go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to
> visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
-
This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe,
go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to
visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
