frank theriault wrote:

>I must be counted in the "this is photography" camp.  If it's done
>properly, it can be great photography, maybe even art (oh no, don't
>bring "art" into this! <LOL>).
>
>Here's one of my favourite baseball photos, one of Jackie Robinson
>taunting a catcher just before stealing home:
>
>http://www.walteromalley.com/hist_hof_robinson2.php?photo=5
>
>I don't remember who the photographer was, but I do remember reading
>an interview of him, wherein he describes how he took this photo. 
>Normally, he'd be in a strategic location with a moveable camera, but
>he'd set up at least one or two cameras, usually one trained on home
>plate, the others pointed down the baselines.  These he'd operate by
>some sort of  remote foot pedal.
>
>He would watch the action, and fire the remote cameras when the action
>seemed right.
>
>Just because he wasn't looking in the viewfinder, does that mean that
>there was no art or "heart" in it?  He still had to be there, watch
>the play, fire the shutter at the precise moment.  This, of course,
>was in the days before motor drives (I wonder if he had an assistant
>change the magazine for him? - I seem to recall he used speedgraphic
>press cameras), so it wasn't just "mash down the shutter release and
>hope for the best".

I'm with Knarf here. If anything, not being able to see through the
viewfinder makes this kind of photography more difficult.

Come to think of it, *lots* of people take photos these days without
looking through viewfinders: Think of digicams with LCD's on the back!
Why not extend the LCD a distance from the camera itself via a cable
or even wireless connection? I'll bet this kind of technology will
happen in the not-too-distant future, particularly in the case of the
kind of sports photographs that started this topic.

>I guess I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion, as it seems that,
>Cotty, you're pretty well entrenched in your position.  I wonder,
>though:  Several times you've shown us shots you've made "from the
>hip", when you've not been looking through the viewfinder.  Where to
>such shots fit into this debate?

Well, none of that kind of paparazzi stuff is real photography,
anyway! <g> 

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