I''ve shot at least 500 frames with the DA 16-45, probably quite a few 
more. And i've used the standard hood with all of them. Remember, this 
lens is 16mm at the wide end. I suspect Pentax has optimized the hood. 
However, I should point out that I always "flag"  the sun with my free 
hand whenever I think it might be a problem. It's a good practice.
Paul

On Jun 16, 2006, at 6:32 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:t

> I understand what you're saying, and your little test makes sense.  In 
> the
> past I've done similar tests to test the viability of different lens 
> hoods,
> and i was thinking of what hood might work better on the 16-45.  
> Getting
> away from the tulip hood might be helpful, and perhaps some 67mm 
> threaded
> metal hoods might work, such as the hood from a A*85/1.4, or some hoods
> designed for 6x7 lenses.  I've always tried to use the deepest or 
> tightest
> hoods I could find to reduce the possibility of such things happening. 
>  For
> example, on my A*200/2.8 I'd use a hood like the Heliopan I sold you 
> and
> than add a certain Nikon hood to the front of that - just an example.  
> Or,
> on the 77mm I use a Takumar hood from the Super Tak 135/3.5, which also
> works well on the A50/1.4.  For my 35mm lenses on the DS I've been 
> using
> hoods that were designed for lenses around the 105mm focal length, and 
> I've
> really gone tight with the hood I'm using on the K18/3.5. So, it's 
> possible
> that a better hood will solve or reduce the problem.
>
> Before getting Patsy's lens to try, I asked the list about hoods for 
> the
> 16-45 and everyone who replied said the standard hood was best.  I'm no
> longer convinced that's the case - in fact, I was skeptical from the
> beginning.
>
> Shel
>
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]>
>> Date: 6/16/2006 3:07:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: 24-90 flare [Was: Re: Your Favorite Zoom Lens]
>>
>> Hello Shel,
>>
>> Intrigued, I took my 16-45 and FA 50/1.4 outside here to test for
>> flare.  It is 100 degrees and very sunny right now, so easy to get the
>> sun in the image.  As I worked with the 16-45 first, I could cause it
>> to flare when I put the sun just outside of the top corner of the
>> frame.  If I moved the sun into the frame just slightly, it flare
>> would go away.  So it seemed that there was one angle of the sun that
>> would catch the glass just right that SMC coatings wouldn't help
>> enough.
>>
>> Then I put on the FA 50 and tried the same thing.  On this lens, it
>> would flare just as the sun was put into the frame, rather than just
>> outside it.  It can be made to flare just about as easily as the
>> 16-45, but at a different angle.
>>
>> The picture that Paul Stenquist showed had the sun in the frame and so
>> the flare was mostly absent.  Your shot has the sun just outside the
>> frame and so it really showed.
>>
>> Anyway, in my quickie test, it seemed that there was a single spot
>> where the flare would really show, but I could make another Pentax
>> lens do just about the same thing.  That is probably why I haven't
>> noticed any real flare problems with mine - it didn't take much of a
>> movement to fix the problem.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>>> [Original Message]
>>>> From: Bruce Dayton
>>
>>>> I'm curious if you had a filter on the lens for the awful flare
>>>> version.  I know the shot you took of me had a filter on it albeit 
>>>> an
>>>> SMC filter.
>>>>
>>>> I have never seen flare like the awful on from my 16-45 - but if I
>>>> think flare could be an issue, I always take of the filter.  Just
>>>> curious.  I may have to go out and see if I can get mine to flare 
>>>> that
>>>> badly.
>>
>>>> SB> http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/bruceflare.jpg
>>>> SB> http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/awfulflare.jpg
>>>>
>>>> SB> Shel
>>
>>
>>
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