On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:02:00 +0100, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

>
>>
>> From: "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: 2006/06/20 Tue PM 05:45:19 GMT
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: The Middle-aged Man and the Sea
>>
>> Well, one thing digital has done for you is that it has got you posting
>> pictures.  And, dare I say, taking them?
>>
>> But the other things are that it's much cheaper (provided you take  
>> plenty
>> of pictures), much more convenient (once you've learned all about  
>> digital
>> processing and using PS), and offers you much more control (assuming you
>> use colour).
>
> Unless you print the pictures you take; unless you have a decent lab to  
> process your slides; unless you have a decent lab to follow your  
> printing instructions.

Decent labs (if you can find one) increase the cost of using film even  
more.

>> That's the three Cs of digital: cost, convenience, control.
>
> It's the same three Cs of film.

Kindly explain.

John


>> On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:08:38 +0100, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> >> Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff
>> >>
>> >> Hi Bob,
>> >>
>> >> I'd suggest upgrading to CS2.  You may as well get the better
>> >> raw converter
>> >> and current features.  I've used both CS and CS2, and CS2, by
>> >> a definite
>> >> margin, is a better program all the way.  Bridge is far
>> >> better to use on
>> >> several levels than the file browser in PS 7.0 and CS.  Plus,
>> >> and I can't
>> >> say for sure without checking, your camera may not be
>> >> supported in CS -
>> >> you'd have to check the Adobe site.
>> >
>> > Yes - I meant CS2.
>> >
>> > One of the things I don't like about digital photography is that I
>> > have to learn a whole lot of new stuff, taking a lot of time, for
>> > what? Do I get better results than film? Is it cheaper than film? Is
>> > it more convenient than film? The benefits I've identified so far are
>> > delayed-action chimping, and fast turnaround. I can live without fast
>> > turnaround. I can see that chimping could have its uses. But are they
>> > worth the time, cost and effort? Answers on a postcard, please.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> It's funny you mentioned tilted horizons.  I sometimes see
>> >> that with the
>> >> Pentax as well.  Someone commented that the sensor could be
>> >> tilted, but
>> >> since you and i can get straight horizons as well, that may
>> >> not be the case
>> >> in our situations.  What I ~think~ may be happening is that
>> >> the shutter
>> >> release button on the Pentax, and many other cameras, is
>> >> rather low, not as
>> >> protrusive, as on the Leicas and the earlier manual cameras
>> >> that we're most
>> >> used to.  I think, at least in my case, the shorter release
>> >> button causes
>> >> me to slightly move the camera when making exposures, and
>> >> that, coupled
>> >> with the camera being shorter and not allowing quite the same grip
>> > and
>> >> leverage as a Leica/Conta/LX, etc.,  contributes to the
>> >> movement and tilted
>> >> horizons.  I find that when i work very slowly, the horizon isn't a
>> >> problem, but if shooting a little more quickly, I often get
>> >> the tilt.  The
>> >> tilt, in my case, is always in the same direction.
>> >
>> > You could be right. It could also be that a slight tilt is exaggerated
>> > by the distortion of a cheap lens.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Bob
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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