Tom, the Nikon F70 was the death knell for simple, elegant, useable camera controls.
God in heaven, that thing sucked, and sold like wildfire. -Aaron -----Original Message----- From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subj: Re: K10D - More News Date: Sat Aug 5, 2006 2:33 pm Size: 7K To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> Me! Especially because all those features just do something I already know how to do myself. You can read a 12 page camera manual and a 200 page book on photography; or you can read a 200 page camera manual, and a 200 page book on photography, so you know when to turn on those hundreds of features. Four controls and a bit of knowledge, or 100's of controls you can not use without that knowledge anyway. Of course if you know nothing, 100 features sounds more impressive than 4 basic controls, doesn't it? I have come to the conclusion that cameras are no longer made for photographers. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" ----------------------------------- P. J. Alling wrote: > I'm not complaining, just pointing out that it just adds to the feature > list. The length of the manual explaining all the features in the > *ist-Ds sent Ann running back to a Canon ZLR when she rightfully belongs > in the Pentax fold. I wonder how many other people are more > intimidated than enticed by huge numbers of features. > > Aaron Reynolds wrote: > >> I also will not use this feature -- but since a simple change to a >> preference setting will cause the switch to behave as a regular DOF preview, >> just like on the old bodies, >> I see no reason to complain about it. >> >> -Aaron >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subj: Re: K10D - More News >> Date: Fri Aug 4, 2006 4:07 pm >> Size: 4K >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >> >> Unfortunately the rear screen DOFP is the same as taking a photograph >> you can't save. Not to mention the fact that the resolution on the rear >> screen isn't really high enough to make a good determination of DOF >> anyway. I personally think that it's a useless feature. I know some >> will disagree. >> >> Tom C wrote: >> >> >> >>> I like the on-screen DOFP. Often hard to get a good feeling in low light >>> through the viewfinder. >>> >>> Tom C. >>> >>> "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or >>> numbered." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: K10D - More News >>>> Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:51:53 -0400 >>>> >>>> Damn, it looks to me as if Pentax has decided to add as many "features" >>>> to the mix as possible, without asking if these are necessary to the >>>> likely target audience. More like, what can we implement "cheaply" to >>>> set us apart, and get the bullet point count up. Oh, well. At least we >>>> can hope the core operations and build quality will be solid. >>>> >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Well, I've only actually seen photos of the latest build of it, courtesy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> of my >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Pentax rep, but at least I've got a little more information for you to >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> chew >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> on. The photos were taken this week, so this is about as current as it >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> gets. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> First off, the magic press-release date is September 13th. There's still >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> so >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> much I haven't been able to pry from my rep that I'm dying for this date >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> hurry up and get here! >>>>> >>>>> Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. A bit more than I expected, but still >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> a damn >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> good price. >>>>> >>>>> The name is definitely K10D (it was stamped on the body). Any remaining >>>>> doubters can relax now. >>>>> >>>>> Remember in the PMA photos >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> (http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pma2006/Pentax/), >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> that unmarked button that was above the AF switch on the front of the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> camera? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> It's now marked RAW, and I'm told it allows you to switch the camera to >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> RAW >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> mode from jpg mode by pressing and holding the RAW button. I think I >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> would >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> have preferred a custom white balance button, but I'm sure this function >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> will >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> be useful for people who shoot in jpg mode most of the time. >>>>> >>>>> The LCD screen is the same as on the K100D: 2.5 ", 210,000 pixels >>>>> >>>>> The battery grip has the same features as the grip for the *istD, though >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> can't say whether or not it connects to the body in the same way. >>>>> >>>>> The body is slightly different than the one shown at PMA, though not by >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> much. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I'd be more specific, but I didn't have much time to really study the new >>>>> images. >>>>> >>>>> The mode dial on the camera's shoulder now has a lot more on it than at >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> PMA. I >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> couldn't see much detail in the images, but the new stuff looked like the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> same >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> sort of preset shooting modes you see on consumer cameras (sports, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> portrait, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> night scene, etc). >>>>> >>>>> DOF-preview now functions in a very interesting manner (apparently it >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> does this >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> on the K100D, but I didn't know that). Straight out of the box, when you >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> use >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> the DOF-preview function, it actually takes a photo and displays it on >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> screen until you press halfway on the shutter button (no, the photo is >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> not >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> saved on your memory card). If you want the more standard thru-the-lens >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> DOF- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> preview, you can change that in a custom function menu. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That's all I can remember. Have fun! >>>>> >>>>> John Celio >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> When you're worried or in doubt, >>>> Run in circles, (scream and shout). >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
