Yes, you are right.  It's the barrel that's so much bigger.

John

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:31:47 +0100, DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The size of the mirror, or in other words: the distance from the lens  
> mount to the film/sensor, does play a part in shorter lenses, but the  
> width stays the same. Remember that aperture is simply the ratio between  
> focal length and lens diameter. As long as you dont have retrofocus or  
> telecentric lenses (which are larger) the ame focal length has the same  
> diameter.  This is more evident with longer lenses.
>
> And, by the way: what 50mm 2.8.  Macros are different, and much larger  
> than the normal lenses. The front lens of an ordinary 50mm 2.8 wouldn't  
> be much larger than the front lens of the 40mm 2.8.
>
> DagT
>
>> Fra: "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> So how do you explain the fact that a Pentax 110 1:2.8 50mm is about 1/4
>> the size of a Pentax 1:2.8 50mm in K-mount?
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:35:13 +0100, DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > They will be smaller of you compare field of view (as a 135 2.8 is  
>> much
>> > smaller than a 200mm 2.8), but if you compare with the same focal  
>> length
>> > with the same maximum aperture the front element will be the same no
>> > matter how small the sensor is.
>> >
>> > DagT
>> >
>> >> Fra: "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >>
>> >> If the image circle is designed for APS-C, then the lenses will be
>> >> smaller
>> >> and lighter than those designed for 35mm.  So they WILL be small and
>> >> light, relatively speaking.
>> >>
>> >> But, like you, I hope they have USM.  We shall know in good time.
>> >>
>> >> John
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:41:15 +0100, DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> Fra: "John Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:03:00 +0100, DagT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > I'd give it a few months more to decide.  If they are going to
>> >> >> introduce
>> >> >> > USM lenses it will be a logical explanation for why they have
>> >> stopped
>> >> >> > producing a lot of long lenses.  They may be planning to revive
>> >> them
>> >> >> > with USM.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'm sure they will introduce more long lenses - they can't afford  
>> not
>> >> >> to.
>> >> >> At the moment, the lens line-up is unbalanced; there is lots of  
>> stuff
>> >> >> below 50mm, and very little above 100mm.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Whether the new long lenses will be USM or just small, light, DA
>> >> >> versions
>> >> >> remains to be seen, but if they are USM it certainly makes sense  
>> not
>> >> to
>> >> >> announce them until after there is a camera body that they can  
>> work
>> >> >> with.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I would be most surprised if there are not new 200mm, 300mm, 400mm
>> >> and
>> >> >> 600mm primes within two years.  And, of course, the fast zooms  
>> have
>> >> >> already been announced.
>> >> >
>> >> > Long lenses with larger apertures will never be small DA or D-FA  
>> wil
>> >> be
>> >> > about the same.  Because of this they will also have heavy focusing
>> >> > mechanisms (even if the gain some by using IF), and that is were  
>> they
>> >> > really need USM.  All of the lenses they have introduced recently  
>> have
>> >> > light focussing mechanisms that can be drivenby the motor in the
>> >> camera
>> >> > without any problems.  This, together with the fact that som many  
>> long
>> >> > lenses have disappeared, make me believe that they are up to
>> >> something.
>> >> >
>> >> > DagT
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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