I certainly wouldn't want anything that introduced grain. In terms of  
gray scale values and response, I'm not interested in duplicating  
what film could or could not do. I would rather just experiment with  
the full potential of the RAW information. To my mind, anything else  
would merely impose limits.
Paul
On Sep 25, 2006, at 7:20 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> I agree with you to an extent.  By TX, etc., mode, I was thinking more
> along the lines of a good rendering following the spectral and grain
> characteristics of the film, which would then be adjusted  
> afterwards with
> curves, levels, what have you, just as if one were working in a  
> darkroom
> starting with a negative developed from film which was chosen for  
> certain
> characteristics.  As it is now, there's no reasonable, or base,  
> starting
> point for a B&W conversion, although there are numerous ways of  
> making one
> and getting good results.  But for some - myself included - it  
> would be
> nice to start with something closer to the "original source" in  
> some ways.
> With film, the best way to optimize the results was also by eye,  
> but you
> had a starting place that was consistent and known. You chose it  
> when you
> bought the film.
>
> Shel
>
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Paul Stenquist
>
>> That would be worthwhile if it would really work. But I think you're
>> always going to be better off doing the conversions in post
>> processing. As I'm sure you've seen, the conversion parameters are
>> rarely identical for two different shots. The best way to optimize
>> the conversion is by eye.
>
>
>
>> Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>>
>>> This thread on facial recognition got me to thinking about what
>>> feature I'd like to see on a good DSLR.  How about a DSLR
>>> that can take good B&W photos, possibly taking a clue from
>>> some of the good B&W conversion software that's out there
>>> and offer something like Tri-X mode, Agfa 100 mode, and
>>> Ilford mode, etc.
>
>
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