Bob, I'm sorry you feel that way.  However, if you were to read further in
the thread, John agreed with me, and he even wondered why he bothered to
put up the pic.

As for me, a good, straight criticism, well thought out, is worth far more 
than a gratuitous pat on the back, or a comment that has no substance.  We
all need "atta boys," but not to the extent that it supports mediocrity.

We are here to learn, and to stretch our vision and our skills.  How can
anyone do that without honest comments from the others on the list,
comments that aren't always complimentary.  Of course, those comments are
only opinions, but they are also ideas that may get others thinking about
their next shot.

In addition, I made it clear that, had I the gear, I'd have probably made
the same shot, because that type of shot is where many people start with
the subject.  But, once mastered, it would seem appropriate to move on,
stretch one's self, better learn the capability of the equipment, look for
something more.

I feel my comments were quite constructive.  They even caused one or two
people to come out of lurk mode and post moon shots that addressed, in some
way, exactly what I was complaining about.  And others agreed with my
assessment.  I think you and I are going to have to disagree because, it
seems, we're quite far apart on this one.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Bob Sullivan 

> Shel,
>
> What a stuck-up bunch of elitists we must look like.  Put a picture up
> and we'll tell you where your are failing.  Is that why we have
> PESO's?  So we can frighten people off?  What lurker is gonna put
> something out in this friendly forum?
>
> I know you know John personally and perhaps he feels comfortable with
> your critique.  Funny, but I would of thought he wouldn't have
> bothered to post the picture if he thought it was so common that it
> would be immediately panned.
>
> This is what I imagine the Leica list is like.  Post your picture and
> we will tell you why it isn't good enough.  Wow, I wish we were the
> old Pentax list where folks tried to give constructive criticism and
> friendly advice.  I don't feel that spirit in your comments.
>
> Regards, Bob S.
>
>
>
> On 10/8/06, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > My experience in photographing the moon is very limited, but it would
seem
> > that your statement is rather broad.  Depending on the lens used, ISO,
and
> > the distance between horizon or skylines and the camera, I'd think that
> > there might be plenty of opportunities to have both the moon and the
other
> > elements in focus.  In fact, I'm sure I've seen some ;-))
> >
> > Shel
> >
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Paul Stenquist <
> >
> > >  However, I agree that some foreground elements can make such a
> > > shot more interesting. That usually works best as a composite, as
> > > illustrated by Jack. Otherwise, you can't get enough DOF at a
> > > reasonable ISO.



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