Paranoia will save you! But then you get all the MS Spyware installed on 
your system, and who knows whom Bill sells that information to?

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John Coyle wrote:
> I would highly recommend downloading all the security patches that Microsoft 
> offer: I have my systems set to auto-update, so most of the time I'm in bed 
> when it happens!
> Don't forget that, if you don't have the latest patches installed, rogue 
> programs can exploit any vulnerabilities in those executables anyway, 
> whether _you_ use them or not.
> 
> I have never had a virus get through my defences: I have an ADSL2 
> router/modem which is the first line of defence, backed up by PC-Cillin on 
> one system and Norton on the other (I know, Norton slows things down but 
> it's my laptop anyway, so it's not in constant use!), as well as the 
> built-in XP firewall.  I don't, of course, accept anything but plain text 
> emails, I don't even read the junk emails that get through my ISP's spam 
> protection system, and I never open or save unexplained or unexpected 
> attachments.
> 
> Ann, PC-Cillin is pretty good, and Trend Micro are excellent at sending 
> updates and renewal reminders on time.  The latest version (2007)
>  is a bit more intrusive than the previous one with messages about what it 
> is doing, but does not slow the system down as much as Norton, particularly 
> on start-up.
> 
> John Coyle
> Brisbane, Australia
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 3:32 PM
> Subject: Re: OT: joys and woes of new computer - couple of questions
> 
> 
>> In a message dated 10/9/2006 8:51:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> writes:
>> I hvae no credit cards listed on the web, fortunately.  I
>> dont buy ANYTHING
>> on line - well, I did once or twice, but I avoid it as a
>> whole.
>> IF someone tried to take "large amounts of money" from my
>> bank account they would
>> be in for a big surprise! LOL!
>>
>> I dont use explorer - I took it off the desktop so I couldnt
>> even hit it by mistake.
>> I installed Firefox right away.
>>
>> While much of what you say I'm sure is right, I can't even
>> fathom it...
>>
>> When I get on line I only go to my personal homepage, my
>> cafepress store,
>> photo.net, ebay and craigslist.  or to look at pics you guys
>> put up.
>>
>> I never go to any sites have anything to do with
>> entertainment or sports -
>> I don't open attachments or forwarded mail.
>>
>> And I'm keeping my old dial up account for email - for a
>> while at least.
>>
>> ann
>> =======
>> That will cover most security holes, ann. It really well -- common sense 
>> is
>> always the best defense. :-)
>>
>> I do think, however, some of the MS updates are worth it. The first ones,
>> later ones often have to do with Outlook and IE. If one doesn't use them 
>> the risk
>> is much, much less. Especially Outlook.
>>
>> It doesn't hurt to go to the update page occasionally and look over the
>> patches. One can pick and choose which to install. Many are useless for a 
>> majority
>> of us.
>>
>> I highly recommend though, that you create a system restore point before
>> downloading/installing any update. Go to help on your XP menu bar, then 
>> Pick a
>> Task, then Tools, then System Restore, then Set a Restore Point. That 
>> saves the
>> current state of your computer so you can set it back if something goes 
>> wrong.
>> Actually it's not a bad idea to do it before installing any new program. I
>> forget and don't do it enough.
>>
>> I've probably accepted about 6-8 updates since I started with XP about
>> four-five years ago. Many are to plug security holes in Outlook, so I 
>> don't bother
>> with those. Some are foreign language patches, and I don't need those. And 
>> some
>> are to plug holes in IE, which I do use occasionally, rarely, but
>> occasionally, so I evaluate those on a case by case basis and see if I 
>> think one or
>> another is important or not. And occasionally there is one that is more 
>> general,
>> not applying to either Outlook or I.E., and helpful.
>>
>> Yous take yous choice. But always create a restore point first.
>>
>> Avast isn't bad.
>>
>> Marnie aka Doe
>>
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