> Did _anyone_ say John's photo was crap? Did anyone say anyone's photo was > crap?
No. No. Relax Shel. If you read the entire thread, you'll see a hypothetical was posed - >> >If a picture is sophomoric crap, then someone should point this out. I was simply relaying my experience in the critiquing of an image. Kenneth Waller ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: PESO: Harvest Moon > Did _anyone_ say John's photo was crap? Did anyone say anyone's photo was > crap? > > Shel > > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Kenneth Waller > >> I've atended a fair number of student slide >> critiques presented by outdoor professionals. >> For the most part the pros tried to point out a >> flaw in the image that could be improved >> & move that image to a higher level. >> On several occasions the working pro couldn't >> suggest anything and ghenerally acknowledged >> that by saying so. >> >> Very seldom did they say an image was crap, >> unless they knew the owner well. >> >> Kenneth Waller >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >From: William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >Subject: Re: PESO: Harvest Moon >> > >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "Bob Sullivan" >> >Subject: Re: PESO: Harvest Moon >> > >> > >> >> Shel, >> >> >> >> What a stuck-up bunch of elitists we must look like. Put a picture up >> >> and we'll tell you where your are failing. Is that why we have >> >> PESO's? So we can frighten people off? What lurker is gonna put >> >> something out in this friendly forum? >> >> >> >> I know you know John personally and perhaps he feels comfortable with >> >> your critique. Funny, but I would of thought he wouldn't have >> >> bothered to post the picture if he thought it was so common that it >> >> would be immediately panned. >> >> >> >> This is what I imagine the Leica list is like. Post your picture and >> >> we will tell you why it isn't good enough. Wow, I wish we were the >> >> old Pentax list where folks tried to give constructive criticism and >> >> friendly advice. I don't feel that spirit in your comments. >> > >> >Respectfully, I disagree, >> >I have had my share of offlist abuse tossed at me because I practice >> >disagreement. >> > >> >For the most part, pictures posted to the list are greeted with oohs and >> >aahs. >> > >> >"Much nicer than any moon pic I have ever shot." >> >"Intriguing, dramatic. Excellent work IMO." >> >"Nice shot and an especially good conversion to BW..." >> > >> >With the occassional constructive critisism: >> > >> >"Wow, I was expecting to see a lot more web and a lot less spider. Not >> >> too bad with the circumstances. Handholding with that a short of DOF >> >> is quite difficult. >> >> Nice work" >> > >> >That stops just short of a circle jerk. >> > >> >This is just not healthy. >> >My mother taught me that if I had nothing nice to say, then say nothing. >> >Is that what is expected? >> >How can a person learn if they don't get told what they are doing wrong >> >by their peers? >> >If a picture is sophomoric crap, then someone should point this out. >> >If a person's work is developing a boring sameness, they should be told >> >they are developing a genre unto themselves, to perhaps snap them out of >> >the rut they are getting into. >> >If a picture is technically perfect, but esthetically boring, should >> >that go unstated? >> > >> >If you put a picture out there, and solicit comments, then take the good >> >with the bad. >> >It's not just about pleasing oneself, and just because oneself is >> >pleased with a picture doesn't automatically make it a good picture. >> > >> >Shooting broadsides at a picture may be unkind, shooting broadsides at >> >someone who had made an honest effort to critique a photo, whether or >> >not the critique is nice, is unfair. > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
