> > From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2006/10/26 Thu PM 10:51:43 GMT > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: OT: Snowflake > > Well said. Absolutes are always ill-conceived. > Paul
Thank you. I needed that smile this morning. > On Oct 26, 2006, at 5:09 PM, Gonz wrote: > > > Faith and knowledge are not orthogonal to each other, which is what > > the > > original statement implied. > > > > I may know how the snowflake was created in physical terms, but may > > also > > have faith in a Creator who enabled the physical laws to create > > such beauty. > > > > You can never prove that an arrowhead was created by a human, > > unless you > > were there to witness it or there is a chain of trust to someone who > > witnessed it (this also requires faith). Of course we believe that it > > is the case, because its unlikely to have taken on that shape on its > > own. However improbable, its still possible that the stone just > > looked > > like that. > > > > Life looks quite improbable according to the laws of entropy, but its > > here. We could choose to believe that a Creator had something to do > > with it, or we could also choose to believe that self replicating > > molecular structures just appeared from the random chaos of the > > primordial soup. Both require some form of faith. > > > > IMO there is no such thing as pure knowledge. After all what do we > > really "know"? So we're all ignorant. > > > > rg > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> By ignorance I mean absence of knowledge, not stupidity. > >> > >> We know (rather than simply believe) that a human created the arrow > >> head not only because it looks man-made, but because it looks man- > >> made > >> _and_ we have multiple compelling lines of independently verifiable > >> and mutually verifying evidence to support the conclusion, not least > >> of which is that we've seen it done by many people. > >> > >> It's a logical fallacy to conclude that just because something looks > >> as though it was designed by an intelligence, that in fact it was. > >> You > >> need more & better evidence. > >> > >> -- > >> Cheers, > >> Bob > >> > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > >>> Behalf Of Tom C > >>> Sent: 26 October 2006 20:41 > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Subject: RE: OT: Snowflake > >>> > >>> No - I see it has attributes that indicate it has a maker or > >>> designer. A > >>> roughly symmetrical chipped piece of flint lying on the > >>> ground is believed > >>> to be an arrowhead. We don't see the aboriginal that crafted > >>> the arrowhead > >>> yet we believe the event occurred. We don't see the designer of our > >> > >> > >>> physical universe, far more complex, and since we can't see > >>> one, we believe > >>> one does not exist. > >>> > >>> That doesn't manifest ignorance? > >>> > >>> > >>> Tom C. > >>> > >>>> That is astonishing. I'm an atheist but it's difficult to look at > >>> that > >>>> photo and not perceive a creator. > >>>> > >>> > >>> Ah, the Argument from Personal Ignorance - "I don't know how that > >> > >> came > >> > >>> to be, therefore God made it". > >>> > >>> Bob > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > [email protected] > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
