Okay I apologise. But a collapsed wheel from a pothole? That must have 
been a hell of a pothole.

Don

John Coyle wrote:
> Don, I'll have to take you to task for suggesting that I did not maintain my 
> bicycle!  The problem was a large uneven pothole, which, because it was 
> dusk, I simply did not see.  I was meticulous in maintenance - almost 
> paranoid, in fact (reflecting Frank's contributions)
>
> John Coyle
> Brisbane, Australia
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Don Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <pdml@pdml.net>
> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles
>
>
> Hi John,
>
> There must have been something seriously wrong with the bicycle for a
> front wheel to collapse. A little maintenance might have helped -- as
> well as care and attention when riding? A serious fall would do me no
> good whatsoever at 74. I tweak the spokes and check my brakes regularly.
> The route I take over the hill to the village is rocky and steep and so
> these days I stay away from rough terrain when it gets below zero. Once
> my front wheel went sideways on an icy rock and I ended up in a heap.
> The damage was not serious and I was riding again in a week. But
> bicycles, especially those like mine, a Scott mountain bike, need a lot
> of care and attention because they get pretty rough treatment. Ten years
> ago I used to change the tyres in the autumn to a pair with spikes; but
> as the years went by I began to realise that I was not as young as I
> seemed to imagine. If I were to wear a helmet in the autumn (I have one
> for summer) my skull would freeze before I got half a kilometre.
>
> I'm just about to set off for the village by the way, there's about 50
> cm of snow on the hill. I'll go round and push the 1km to the road.
>
> Don
>
> John Coyle wrote:
>   
>> Having once, many years ago, gone over the handlebars when a front wheel
>> collapsed, landing on my face and spending three days in hospital as a
>> result, I would prefer to wear a helmet when riding, whether or not I was
>> required to do so.
>> Note that, in my case, I was on a quiet country road, no other vehicle was
>> involved, and I was riding at a reasonably sedate pace, correctly 
>> positioned
>> on the road.  No amount of care or caution could have prevented that
>> accident, as far as I can see, negating some of the arguments put forward 
>> in
>> this thread.
>> It's really like wearing a seat-belt in a car: a helmet won't prevent 
>> every
>> fatality, but it will reduce the severity of injury in a statistically
>> significant number of cases.
>>
>> John Coyle
>> Brisbane, Australia
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "David Mann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <pdml@pdml.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 4:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles
>>
>>
>>
>>     
>>> On Nov 2, 2006, at 10:49 AM, Bob W wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> The best protection for cyclists is to learn how to cycle properly
>>>> in traffic.
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> That helps, but you need to bear in mind that drivers have blind
>>> spots, are often inattentive (especially while in a hurry), and in
>>> some cases, as much as I hate to say it, they can be downright
>>> inconsiderate.  Just as cyclists sometimes are.
>>>
>>> I haven't been bowled by a car for quite a while despite some close
>>> calls, but the most recent time was when I was hit from the side by a
>>> guy pulling out of a driveway.  He was running late and his token
>>> glance for traffic missed the only thing on that stretch of road.
>>> Sometimes shit just happens, and by then it's too late to wonder
>>> whether you're going to hit the concrete hard enough to matter.
>>>
>>> In then end, a helmet won't always save someone's life: the reality
>>> is that in a crash there is a certain amount of impact force applied
>>> to the head.  The helmet can absorb a certain amount, and spreads the
>>> rest across that side of the skull.  With a big enough impact nothing
>>> will save you, and you can easily be killed by other injuries
>>> anyway.  IMO the helmet gives me worthwhile protection of the one
>>> thing that won't heal, without getting in my way while riding.
>>>
>>> As you mentioned, prevention by careful riding is the best cure but
>>> my experience is that this can only reduce the danger - not eliminate
>>> it.  Riding offroad is an entirely different kettle of fish as the
>>> terrain is much more "interesting", and because I ride that stuff for
>>> fun, fitness and challenge, crashing is much more likely and in many
>>> places there are pointy rocks to land on.
>>>
>>> The dynamics of any crash are far too variable to be able to make
>>> predictions of the outcome, and personally I'd rather have the helmet
>>> than not have it because I'm slightly on the paranoid side.  If
>>> someone wants to take their chances without a helmet that's fine by
>>> me, but I'll still mutter a few opinionated words to myself :)
>>>
>>> - Dave
>>>
>>>
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>
>
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