I'm with you Dave.  The PUG has taught me how to be better.  If you
look at some of my original PUG contributions you will see how much
worse I was.  I'm just happy to have crawled up to mediocre!  Average
here is a whole lot better than Very Good in a lot of places.  (Even
the snapshots are a cut above.)
Regards,  Bob S.

On 12/16/06, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> All thoughts comments a while back, about only submitting images of
> the utmost quality to the PUG are a crock IMHO. Post the best you can
> do, and await any constructive criticism.
>
> If I relied on the comments of friends and family, I would have
> stopped trying to do better 10 years ago.
>
> As a mediocre photographer myself, post & submit images I say.  It's
> one of the better ways to help improve your work.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>
>
> On 12/16/06, Malcolm Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Tom C wrote:
> >
> > > A good 50% of the photos displayed here are nothing more than
> > > stinking street shots of homeless people or mere snapshots
> > > with very little if any consideration given to composition.
> >
> > Sadly, not living in an area of great natural beauty like your good self,
> > it's very easy to travel a very short distance and see such images which
> > would easily become photos. What we have here is a photographic conflict of
> > interest. You've also raised this in part in earlier posts this year in the
> > quality of images submitted to the PUG.
> >
> > I've submitted very few images in the last twelve months directly as a
> > result of the comments surrounding PUG and other submissions here. Most of
> > the submissions are of a very high standard -  well beyond competition for a
> > mediocre photographer like myself - and the constant 'raising of the bar'
> > makes it very difficult not to compete, but to find a place for those of a
> > lower standard to discuss what's gone right and what's gone wrong with a
> > particular shot - perhaps this no longer exists or is welcome here.
>
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