these were yes or no questions, and your first answer further confuses me. jco
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob W Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 12:51 PM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: K10D review online First answer: the conversion to a format that a minilab printer can use. Second answer: Somebody here has said you can't print Pentax raw files that way. I don't have a Pentax digital camera, so I don't know. I have an Olympus digital camera. It says I can print direct from the camera with a minilab printer - I am not talking here about taking the card out and plugging the card into the printer, I am talking about plugging the camera into the printer. It doesn't say that this facility is limited to jpeg files, so I assume that it will print from raw. However, I have not tried it. There is no reason at all (as I have explained) why it should not, so I will try and I will let you know. -- Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of J. C. O'Connell > Sent: 17 December 2006 14:36 > To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' > Subject: RE: K10D review online > > what can be done in the camera? Can you print > Pentax RAW files at a minilab from the media > card without any user processing on a PC > or with the camera or not? (two queations)?? > jco > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of > Bob W > Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 3:34 AM > To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' > Subject: RE: K10D review online > > > it can all be done in the camera using predefined settings in exactly > the same way as the conversion to jpeg is done in the camera. > > -- > Bob > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > > Of J. C. O'Connell > > Sent: 17 December 2006 01:28 > > To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' > > Subject: RE: K10D review online > > > > I dont follow you, if you have to do this processing > > at home with special ACR or Pentax sofware to open and > print the RAW > > files, then its not as "portable" or "universal" a format > as jpeg is > > which you can print directly from the media card at > minilabs, no? that > > > would seem to be a major feature of "shooting jpeg" if thats all you > > want or need. jco > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > > Of Bob W > > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 4:15 PM > > To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' > > Subject: RE: K10D review online > > > > > > I don't know what the purpose of the jpeg option is. As far > as I can > > see, the only benefit of it is to store more pictures on the card. > > > > It is no more difficult to plug the camera into a printer and print > > from raw files. You can get usable results. Results that are at > > least as good > > as jpeg. > > > > To the best of my knowledge there are no intrinsic > properties of raw > > files that force anybody to do any post-processing at all. All of > the > > pictures that I have had from my Olympus, for example, have been > > perfectly usable without post-processing. Of course, this doesn't > mean > > they are exhibition standard. But nor are jpegs under the same > > circumstances. > > > > You can do an experiment and judge for yourself rather than take my > > word for it. Borrow a digital camera, shoot some raw, some jpeg, > > and get some > > prints. > > > > If you think about the processes that are going on, it must be true. > > > > > Suppose you decide that you are going to 'shoot jpeg', which only > > means you're going to store jpeg. You make an exposure which the > > sensor records. The software reads the data from the sensor, > > converts it to > > jpeg on the fly and stores the results. > > > > When you walk up to the printer and plug the camera in, the software > > in the camera reads the jpeg file and converts it into the > > format that the > > printer understands. > > > > If you decide to shoot raw, then when you make an exposure the > > software reads the data from the sensor and stores it without > > converting it > to > > jpeg. > > > > When you walk up to the printer and plug the camera in, the software > > in the camera reads the raw file and converts it into the format > > that > the > > printer understands. > > > > There is no reason at all why the same algorithm that makes jpeg > > results USABLE, as you put it, wouldn't be used on the conversion > > from raw > to > > the printer format, since both processes start from the same place, > > and end up in the same place. > > > > -- > > Bob > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > > > > Of J. C. O'Connell > > > Sent: 16 December 2006 20:45 > > > To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' > > > Subject: RE: K10D review online > > > > > > But isnt the purpose of using the jpeg output > > > option of the camera so you can just go > > > straight to a print lab and print the jpegs > > > without having to do any digital processing > > > of the images on a PC or laptop? It sounds > > > like you cant do RAW and get instant **USABLE** > > > results which is what I meant. > > > jco > > > > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
