well I can't help that. I've been as plain as I can be, and I've even provided a drawing.
-- Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of J. C. O'Connell > Sent: 17 December 2006 18:23 > To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' > Subject: RE: K10D review online > > these were yes or no questions, and your first > answer further confuses me. > jco > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of > Bob W > Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 12:51 PM > To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' > Subject: RE: K10D review online > > > First answer: > the conversion to a format that a minilab printer can use. > > Second answer: > Somebody here has said you can't print Pentax raw files that way. I > don't have a Pentax digital camera, so I don't know. > > I have an Olympus digital camera. It says I can print direct from the > camera with a minilab printer - I am not talking here about taking the > card out and plugging the card into the printer, I am talking about > plugging the camera into the printer. It doesn't say that > this facility > is limited to jpeg files, so I assume that it will print from raw. > However, I have not tried it. There is no reason at all (as I have > explained) why it should not, so I will try and I will let you know. > > -- > Bob > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of J. C. O'Connell > > Sent: 17 December 2006 14:36 > > To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' > > Subject: RE: K10D review online > > > > what can be done in the camera? Can you print > > Pentax RAW files at a minilab from the media > > card without any user processing on a PC > > or with the camera or not? (two queations)?? > > jco > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of > > Bob W > > Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 3:34 AM > > To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' > > Subject: RE: K10D review online > > > > > > it can all be done in the camera using predefined settings in > exactly > > the same way as the conversion to jpeg is done in the camera. > > > > -- > > Bob > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > > > > Of J. C. O'Connell > > > Sent: 17 December 2006 01:28 > > > To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' > > > Subject: RE: K10D review online > > > > > > I dont follow you, if you have to do this processing > > > at home with special ACR or Pentax sofware to open and > > print the RAW > > > files, then its not as "portable" or "universal" a format > > as jpeg is > > > which you can print directly from the media card at > > minilabs, no? that > > > > > would seem to be a major feature of "shooting jpeg" if > thats all you > > > > want or need. jco > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > > > > Of Bob W > > > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 4:15 PM > > > To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' > > > Subject: RE: K10D review online > > > > > > > > > I don't know what the purpose of the jpeg option is. As far > > as I can > > > see, the only benefit of it is to store more pictures on the card. > > > > > > It is no more difficult to plug the camera into a printer > and print > > > from raw files. You can get usable results. Results that are at > > > least as good > > > as jpeg. > > > > > > To the best of my knowledge there are no intrinsic > > properties of raw > > > files that force anybody to do any post-processing at all. All of > > the > > > pictures that I have had from my Olympus, for example, have been > > > perfectly usable without post-processing. Of course, this doesn't > > mean > > > they are exhibition standard. But nor are jpegs under the same > > > circumstances. > > > > > > You can do an experiment and judge for yourself rather > than take my > > > word for it. Borrow a digital camera, shoot some raw, some jpeg, > > > and get some > > > prints. > > > > > > If you think about the processes that are going on, it must be > true. > > > > > > > > Suppose you decide that you are going to 'shoot jpeg', which only > > > means you're going to store jpeg. You make an exposure which the > > > sensor records. The software reads the data from the sensor, > > > converts it > to > > > jpeg on the fly and stores the results. > > > > > > When you walk up to the printer and plug the camera in, > the software > > > > in the camera reads the jpeg file and converts it into the > > > format that the > > > printer understands. > > > > > > If you decide to shoot raw, then when you make an exposure the > > > software reads the data from the sensor and stores it without > > > converting it > > to > > > jpeg. > > > > > > When you walk up to the printer and plug the camera in, > the software > > > > in the camera reads the raw file and converts it into the format > > > that > > the > > > printer understands. > > > > > > There is no reason at all why the same algorithm that makes jpeg > > > results USABLE, as you put it, wouldn't be used on the conversion > > > from raw > > to > > > the printer format, since both processes start from the > same place, > > > and end up in the same place. > > > > > > -- > > > Bob > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > > > > > > Of J. C. O'Connell > > > > Sent: 16 December 2006 20:45 > > > > To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' > > > > Subject: RE: K10D review online > > > > > > > > But isnt the purpose of using the jpeg output > > > > option of the camera so you can just go > > > > straight to a print lab and print the jpegs > > > > without having to do any digital processing > > > > of the images on a PC or laptop? It sounds > > > > like you cant do RAW and get instant **USABLE** > > > > results which is what I meant. > > > > jco > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > > [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > > > > -- > > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > > [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > [email protected] > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > [email protected] > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
