I could do a simple study on my own. Concentrate on Norway. There are studies on the amount of CO2 from our car park. We also have pretty good statistics on the smoking habits here. The only hard part is find the amount of CO2 released when smoking. The rest is basic math.
This may sound like a silly waste of time, but silly is my middle name. It wouldn't be science, but it could tell us something. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Loveless Sent: 29. desember 2006 05:52 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? Don't waste your time, Tim. There are no studies correlating cigarette smoke to global air pollution. Every "smoking pollution" study you find will be based on smoking in confined spaces, such as indoors or congested outdoor areas. That problem is easy to solve. A few years ago I went to a pub in California. As most of you are probably aware, smoking inside publicly accessible buildings is no longer allowed there. The parking lot was packed. The music was loud. The pub was nearly empty! Maybe five or six people inside. After the smoking ban was implemented this particular pub built a pavilion connected to the side of the building under which was a full bar, tables, a dance floor and no room to move. Everyone was outside smoking! The whole thing was surrounded by a privacy fence. Go figure. On 12/28/06, Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Honestly no. Not figures. But I'll look into it. > > While I do that, why don't you answer why you find this more important than > cars? > > > Tim > Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul > Stenquist > Sent: 29. desember 2006 05:16 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? > > I wasn't discussing your personal habits. I was discussing the > personal habits of the millions of cigarette smokers worldwide, many > of who reside in countries that are most critical of American habits > and practices. I'm not sure that the pollution they generate is > insignificant. Do you have facts and figures? > Paul > On Dec 28, 2006, at 11:04 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: > > > If you won't to debate my personal habits, why don't pick something > > more > > important like the use of my car? > > > > I believe I know the answer to my question. > > > > > > Tim > > Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Paul > > Stenquist > > Sent: 29. desember 2006 04:49 > > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > Subject: Re: Doomsday is coming upon us? > > > > I would guess that one smoker contributes very little to the > > generation of CO2. On the other hand, I would expect that millions or > > maybe even billions of smokers burning tobacco leaves all day long > > are a substantial part of the problem. I'm sure it should be part of > > this thread. Why wouldn't it be? > > Paul > > On Dec 28, 2006, at 10:10 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: > > > >> To put it simple (I like it simple). Smoking is plain stupidity. > >> There many reasons why it is stupid. My personal life span is one > >> example. > >> You have listed several others. > >> > >> It is also an environmental problem. But not because of global > >> heating. The > >> impact on global heating is similar to the impact of a mouse fart. > >> The > >> environmental problem is in pesticides used when growing the > >> tobacco. The > >> other problem is all the chemicals used in making the end product. > >> But those > >> chemicals have no known impact on global heating. > >> > >> As I said. Bash on. I don't feel uncomfortable with it at all. But > >> please do > >> it in a thread unrelated to the global heating issue. > >> Title the thread Tim is a liar and thief if you want to ;-) > >> > >> > >> Tim > >> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > >> Behalf Of Tom > >> C > >> Sent: 29. desember 2006 02:22 > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: RE: Doomsday is coming upon us? > >> > >>> Aren't we going OT now? > >>> > >>> I have an urge to say that I don't feel that my smoking habits are > >>> the real > >>> issue. To me, this seems like a smokescreen (pun intended) > >>> cowering the > >>> real > >>> debate. > >>> > >>> But by all means, bash on if you feel uncomfortable debating. > >>> > >>> > >>> Tim > >> > >> How can you go OT on an OT? :-) > >> > >> Actually I think Bill's point is relevant. Why? Because we tend to > >> view our > >> own behavior as acceptable and normal and expect others to do the > >> changing. > >> > >> However when the finger points back at us, we're uncomfortable. > >> > >> While little old you smoking X cigarettes a day may have a > >> negligible effect > >> > >> on pollution on a global scale (just like other single persons > >> taking long > >> showers or driving gas-guzzling SUV's), it has a much larger effect > >> when we > >> shrink the picture down a little or when we look at the cumulative > >> effect. > >> > >> Your behavior is clearly dichotomous... Wanting to save the planet > >> while at > >> > >> the same time almost assuredly shortening the time span of your > >> existence on > >> > >> it, both lessening your time to enjoy it and the time you might > >> have to make > >> > >> a difference. > >> > >> The cost in health care and missed productivity due to smoking > >> related > >> ailments is huge. Next calculate how much time and energy (human > >> and fossil > >> fuel) is wasted annually in an industry that essentially provides a > >> delivery > >> > >> method for a drug that induces a slow suicide. Then there's the > >> smoking > >> mothers whose babies may have future health issues and possible > >> lower IQ's, > >> putting a bigger drain on health care and education systems. > >> > >> I'm not bashing you. I'm not criticizing you. You work in the social > >> welfare field though and are sure aware of the implications of one's > >> personal behavior. OK, I just had to get that little one in. :-) > >> > >> > >> > >> Tom C. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>> On 12/28/06, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: "Tim Øsleby" Subject: RE: Doomsday is coming upon us? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Agreed. That's why I smoke outside rain or cold. You could argue > >>>>>> that I > >>>>>> pollute the environment. That's true, but I don't think it is > >>>>>> significant. > >>>>> > >>>>> Tim, this is pretty much the argument that you have been on the > >>>>> other side > >>>>> of. > >>>>> No one person makes a significant impact, so why should any one > >>>>> person > >>>>> change their habits, be it driving a large vehicle, taking long > >>>>> hot showers > >>>>> or whatever else they do that is environmentally harmful? > >>>>> > >>>>> William Robb > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >>> > >>> DagT > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> [email protected] > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > [email protected] > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > [email protected] > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
