Here is a new, brighter version.  It is still a little dark, but much
more than this and the clouds are just a white mess.

http://www.avocadohead.com/piclinks/spare.html

Thanks again to those who commented.

Russ

On 4/2/07, Russell Kerstetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Shel and Godders-
>
> Thanks for taking the time to show me some alternative solutions.  I
> like both of your different takes, I also like that you were able to
> brighten the whole thing up without losing the cloud detail.  I
> fiddled around for a while this evening, but was not able to duplicate
> our results.  I can brighten it up some, but by the time I start to
> lose cloud detail the water in the lake is still too dark.  But that
> may be the price I have to pay for using free software :)  So I will
> have to mess around with this some more again tomorrow evening and see
> what I can come up with.  Thanks again.
>
> Russ
>
> On 4/2/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Your original was rendered extremely dark, Russell. It's a simple
> > landscape scene ... rendered up with a bit bit of balancing between
> > water and sky, you get this rather nice, rather serene feel out of
> > it. I took the liberty of doing a couple of edits to give you an idea
> > where I'd go with it... It includes your original so you can see the
> > differences easily.
> >
> > http://homepage.mac.com/godders/rk2882/
> >
> > This is a case where if I was using Lightroom I could likely do most
> > of what I did with its tools, and presuming I had the RAW file to
> > work with, but with just an 8bit image file to work with Photoshop
> > allows the kind of gentle, selective editing required to bring this up.
> >
> > 1- Don't underexpose. Determine where the brightest elements are that
> > you want to retain detail in and expose correctly for that ...
> > Placing exposure properly like that takes a little time to figure out
> > and if you're not sure you should bracket exposure around it. The
> > histogram shows you an approximation based on values in the JPEG
> > preview that is rendered for every file, but if you're capturing in
> > RAW you can work with what looks like a little bit of highlight
> > overexposures on the histogram. It's not rigorously calibrated, you
> > have to work with it to understand what you're seeing.
> >
> > 2- Yes, this is a problem. Your screen looks overly bright compared
> > to the ambient light and that's tricking your eye. Better to
> > calibrate and profile the screen in modest, normal room light and
> > work that way so that your eyes and the screen are at proper
> > luminance values. I calibrate my screen for 140 lumens, gamma 1.8 and
> > 5500K white point in normal, indirect room illumination. Move any
> > light that glares on the screen to a different position so that's not
> > a problem. This will make a huge difference in how your photos come out.
> >
> > Godfrey
> >
> >
> > On Apr 2, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Russell Kerstetter wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Bruce, PJ, Paul, Markus Shel and Brian for being honest.  When
> > > I look at it objectively, I agree that it is mostly an uninteresting
> > > picture.  Maybe next time I will try the 'Auto Compose' function on my
> > > DL.
> > >
> > > I have been told several times, that my pictures are too dark.  To be
> > > clear, we are talking a few stops dark, but not black or anything like
> > > that, right?
> > >
> > > I think there are two issues here (if anyone cares to comment
> > > further):
> > >
> > > 1)  Foremost, I think I have a tendency to underexpose, specifically
> > > on shots like this.  I really like detail in the clouds and am afraid
> > > of losing it even when the clouds are not the most important aspect of
> > > the picture.  IIRC the histogram for this shot had the highlights
> > > touching the first bar from the right (which is a half-stop right?)
> > > but I think that what you are seeing on your screen is probably darker
> > > than just a half-stop.
> > >
> > > 2) I usually work in a dark room because I hate glare off the screen.
> > > I have been running my mac on gamma 1.8 instead of 2.2, but from what
> > > I am hearing I think that is a negligible part of my problem.
> > >
> > > Russ
> > > (here to learn)
> > >
> > > On 4/1/07, Russell Kerstetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> This is a reservoir/lake near my mother-in-law's house.  Also this is
> > >> the first photo I have processed with iPhoto.  I was using Lightroom
> > >> beta, iPhoto definately has less features and some irritating
> > >> limitations, but it does have the 'touch-up' tool, which is pretty
> > >> handy.
> > >>
> > >> http://www.avocadohead.com/piclinks/IMGP2882.html
> > >>
> > >> Honest comments please, thanks for looking.
> > >>
> > >> Russ
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