If you bought one here, how do you know that the seller wasnt or didnt already break the law by importing them? I dont think you or I know that for sure.
Secondly, if your contention is that there isnt a legal issue concerning the sale of region free DVD players in the USA where is your "evidence" to the contrary of my contention that it is? If you cant provide any evidence to prove it isnt you shouldnt be telling me I am wrong and you are right unless I prove you wrong. I can easily just say I am right and you are wrong and you have to prove I am wrong. The burden of proof isnt only on my side, of you cant prove your point, dont be asking me to prove mine. Get it? jco -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom C Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 7:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: OT - for those of you whohaveDVD equipthat can playPAL systemDVD's You see, all us honest citizens wanted was a simple apology for being maligned as having broken the law. :-) I take your statement "NO, it may be legal to own them here", below as such. See further below. Tom C. >From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" <[email protected]> >Subject: RE: OT - for those of you whohaveDVD equipthat can playPAL >systemDVD's >Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:02:12 -0400 > >YEAH RIGHT - and I'll do that for you when the other >million totally wrong things posted here that >had to be corrected by me repeatedly year after year and are never >acknowledged. Your out of your damn mind. NO, it may be legal to own >them here ( not sure on the importation rule/laws on them ) but if they >were legal to sell here why are none of the major brands avaiable or >why are no units of ANY brands available at any major U.S. chains? NO >REPLY yet on that. I have absolutely no idea, and frankly I don't care. If it's legal to obtain and use a region free DVD player from an outlet that is not a major US chain, I'm happy to do so. > I think that is got >to be a **legal** licensing agreement issue like I suggested in the >beginnning of the thread, not some market force issue or a "gentlemen's >agreement" among DVD player suppliers. It's fine to think it. But stating it, as if it's fact without really knowing, is a different matter. >Besides, >the other argument like why would they have developed region coding in >the first place if they didnt have the legal and logistical means >to enforce it? These questions remain unanswered so far... The last question has already been spoken to, if not answered. >jco > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >Tom C >Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 6:36 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: OT - for those of you whohaveDVD equipthat can playPAL >systemDVD's > > >Your first statement simply stated they were illegal. Your second >statement modified that stance slightly with the clause "from >everything I've heard", >but also reinforced your earlier contention by further expanding it with >"to >buy, sell or own". > >What we want from you is to have you say, "Well guys, I guess I was >wrong and you were not breaking the law or doing anything illegal by >buying, owning, using, or hacking to make become, region-free DVD >players. My misunderstanding." > > >Tom C. > > > >From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> > >To: "'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'" <[email protected]> > >Subject: RE: OT - for those of you whohaveDVD equipthat can playPAL > >systemDVD's > >Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:29:02 -0400 > > > >I didnt state it as a matter of fact and I specifically stated "from > >everything I have heard". What the hell else do you want from me? I > >say the reason you cant buy any name brand ones here and cant buy > >them in any major US stores is because of LEGAL ISSUES, not > >because there isnt any demand for them which others > >have argued. I also put forth the simple question that if > >it was fully legal to be made/sold here in USA without any coding or > >cross-coded then why would the system have been developed in the first > >place which no one has answered... jco > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > >Of > > >Tom C > >Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 6:16 PM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: RE: OT - for those of you whohaveDVD equipthat can playPAL > >systemDVD's > > > > > >This started John, with your following statement with reference to > >region code free DVD players : > > > >J. C. O'Connell wrote: > > > >"Those are out there but they are illegal." > >jco > > > >You then wrote: > > > >"It is illegal to buy, sell or own non-region 1 DVD players in or to > >north america from everything I have ever heard. Ever wonder why you > >cant just go buy one at Circuit Shitty?" jco > > > >You have yet to back up these statements, which were presented as > >factual, with anything other than more of your own words. > > > >By those statements, you implicitly called all of us that have bought > >or > > > >owned non-region 1 DVD players in North America, law-breakers and > >scoff-laws. We take umbrage with that and are awaiting clarification > >so > > > >that we can either continue using these devices with a clean > >conscience > > >or can devote the wretched things to destruction. > > > >Tom C. > > > > > > > >-- > >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >[email protected] > >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > >-- > >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >[email protected] > >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >[email protected] >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >[email protected] >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
