Hello Godfrey, Good information. Yes, much of my organizational comments were based on beta. I have run the release version but not much compared to the beta. A big area for me is that the ExpressDigital Darkroom product does much the same kind of thing as Lightroom - and Darkroom handles all of my online ordering system along with direct connection to the lab, etc. A much more needed tool for me than the raw converter. So I end up with two systems - one at each end of the workflow, wanting to manage the data. To date, I have used lighter weight tools on the front end (pre-finished files) and let Darkroom do it's organization.
Based on what you have described, I may give Lightroom another go, as the raw and editing tools I found to be very nice, indeed. Thanks for your comments. -- Bruce Monday, April 30, 2007, 9:55:39 AM, you wrote: GD> Bruce, GD> I don't have much to offer regards Lightroom vs Capture One as I've GD> never been a C1 user nor do I plan to try it out, but I found your GD> comments on LR interesting. GD> Re: the organizational layout that Lightroom uses ... I find it GD> works well, I don't know that it imposes anything specific on my GD> work ... GD> If you are relating to the Lightroom beta v4.1 notion of Shoots and GD> Collections, Lightroom v1.0 abandoned the Shoots concept and went GD> with the simpler Folders and Collections notion. Just like Bridge and GD> many other image browser utilities, Folders is a 1:1 reflection of GD> what's in your hard drive directory. If you move something around in GD> Folders, it moves it on the hard drive, and vice-versa. You can GD> organize your hard drive however you want and simply import in place. GD> Internal to the application, I use Collections with category based GD> names to organize my work drawn from various Folders. Once I have GD> completed a particular Collection project, I export all the files in GD> it to a new directory of completed work in Photoshop or TIFF format. GD> That becomes the definitive set: I put a marker keyword in all the GD> files, force a metadata update to the files, then delete the GD> Collection in my main LR library. I then import the finished work GD> into another LR library which contains only completed work. GD> This is very similar to what I was doing in my prior use of CS2/ GD> Bridge/Camera Raw prior to Lightroom, and works effectively for my GD> purposes. GD> Re: speed ... GD> While any system I've found has its singular characteristics of speed GD> and bottlenecks, one thing I have noticed watching many people GD> comment on Lightroom is that nearly all the folks (but for one) who GD> find speed of operation an issue seem to be running it on the Windows GD> OS platform. I found three things improved performance substantially GD> on Mac OS X/Power Mac G5: GD> - turn off automatic XMP updates GD> - pre-build standard and 1:1 previews GD> - turn off the automatic deletion of previews GD> The first cuts down on incidental disk IO as you make edits to image GD> and/or metadata, the second and third carry an up-front processing GD> burden and also allows the previews in the library directory to GD> become very large, but overall pose a workflow win when moving from GD> image to image in processing. How well this works for very very large GD> libraries is yet to be seen, but it seems reasonable for my current GD> libraries (I use four, with the biggest being about 50,000 files at GD> present). You can always force deletion of previews if the disk space GD> burden becomes an issue. GD> Doing these three things is producing quite reasonable performance on GD> both the PowerBook G4 1.67Ghz (single processor) with 1.5M RAM and GD> 80G hard drive as well as the Power Mac G5 2Ghz (dual processor) with GD> 3G RAM and 500G hard drive. Obviously, the latter is quite a bit GD> faster than the former... ;-) GD> I'm sure I'll develop my workflow and data manipulation workflow GD> further as my experience grows and LR is developed further. I'm GD> pretty happy with it at present. GD> Godfrey GD> On Apr 30, 2007, at 9:17 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote: >> I have been a Capture One LE user for a couple of years and have used >> Lightroom and also own Silkypix. >> >> The two areas of Lightroom that were problematic for me were - SPEED - >> Lightroom is quite resource intensive and I found the overall speed to >> not be to my liking. This is not to say that it was totally slow on >> my system, but compared to alternatives, it is slow. >> >> The other area that I don't care for in Lightroom is the heavy handed >> organization that is imposes. For many, this could be considered one >> of it's best features. For me, who shoots lots of events, weddings >> and portraits, it gets in the way. I have other programs that I use >> for those duties including Breezebrowser and ExpressDigital's >> Darkroom. >> >> So what I am saying is, if speed is not an issue for you, and you like >> the organizational tools, then you would be hard pressed to find a >> better tool. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
