Still it only has to happen once! And the odds of that chain happening are exactly the same as they are for any other viable chain. The problem with the intelligent design thing is that it multiplies the other; where in the hell did that intelligence come from. All you do is push Hoyles odds farther into the past, you do not eliminate them. It is the worst kind of muddy thinking.
Have fun with the following article. > http://www.accessexcellence.org/WN/SUA02/primordial_soup.html And jumping to another argument in this thread, if Neanderthal was a separate species, then that means intelligence has arisen at least twice on this planet and make the likelihood of there being other intelligences in the universe infinitely more possible. It also means intelligence is no guarantee that we are going to survive. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" ----------------------------------- Tom C wrote: > Hoyle was also referring to the following... > > quote by Hoyle: > > "The big problem in biology isn't so much the rather crude fact that a > protein consists of a chain of amino acids linked together in a certain > way, but that the explicit ordering of the amino acids endows the chain > with remarkable properties... If amino acids were linked at random, > there would be a vast number of arrangements that would be useless to > serving the puposes of a living cell. When you consider that a typical > enzyme has a chain of perhaps 200 links and that there are 20 > possibilities for each link, it's easy to see that the number of useless > arrangements is enormous, more than the number of atoms in all the > galaxies visible in the largest telescopes. This is for one enzyme, and > there are upwards of 2000 of them, mainly serving very different purposes". > > "Rather than accept the fantastically small probability of life having > arisen through the blind forces of nature, it seemed better to suppose > that the origin of life was a deliberate intellectual act". > > Tom C. > > >> From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net> >> Subject: Re: Global warming was: The Nine-spotted >> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:44:15 -0400 >> >> Astronomers do not seem to understand chance, do they. If the chance >> is a billion to one, what is the change of it happening in the next >> iteration? >> >> One in two, no matter what particular iteration it is in, it has as >> much chance of happening the next time as it does of not happening. In >> other words there is no necessity of it going through a billion >> iterations before it happens. And there is no assurance that it will >> happen even once in that particular billion iterations. Once again no >> intelligent design is necessary. >> >> -- >> graywolf >> http://www.graywolfphoto.com >> http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf >> "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" >> ----------------------------------- >> >> >> Tom C wrote: >> > graywolf wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> Hard to accept that you are not somehow special, isn't it. Personally >> >> I believe random chance over >millions of years is the simplest >> answer. >> >> >> > >> > >> > Noted British Astonomer Fred Hoyle wrote (note I'm using this as an >> > example of a noted and respected scientist, not that I agree with >> > everything he says or that he's always correct... who is?) >> > >> > "if one proceeds directly and straightforwardly in this matter, without >> > being deflected by a fear of incurring the wrath of scientific opinion, >> > one arrives at the conclusion that biomaterials with their amazing >> > measure or order must be the outcome of intelligent design." >> > >> > Hoyle calculated that the chance of obtaining the required set of >> > enzymes for even the simplest living cell was one in 10 *40,000 power. >> > Since the number of atoms in the known universe is infinitesimally tiny >> > by comparison (10 *80 power), he argued that even a whole universe full >> > of primordial soup wouldn’t have a chance. He claimed: The notion that >> > not only the biopolymer but the operating program of a living cell >> could >> > be arrived at by chance in a primordial organic soup here on the Earth >> > is evidently nonsense of a high order. >> > >> > Hoyle compared the random emergence of even the simplest cell to the >> > likelihood that "a tornado sweeping through a junk-yard might >> assemble a >> > Boeing 747 from the materials therein." Hoyle also compared the chance >> > of obtaining even a single functioning protein by chance combination of >> > amino acids to a solar system full of blind men solving Rubik's Cube >> > simultaneously. >> > >> > >> > >> > Tom C. >> > >> > >> > >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
