Glen, you have inadvertantly broken rule number 1.
WW

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Blakely"
Subject: Re: Disappointing Results


> Howdy!
>
> Regarding number 2:  What you "see" in the view finder (or without a 
> camera
> for that matter) is NOT what's there. When you look at a real world 
> object,
> you are perceiving it through what is possibly the most sophisticated 
> visual
> processing system ever produced on this earth! Not only will the iris 
> change
> with the lighting conditions, it will change to adapt to the subject or 
> even
> specific areas of a subject that you are interested in - and without the
> mistakes that cameras make trying to guess what you are interested in.
> Further, your brain processes the image to include filling in details that
> you can't see in such a manner that you can't know that it's doing it. For
> example, you have a blind spot in your eye where the optic bundle 
> converges
> and turns inward to become the optic nerve - yet you are NEVER aware of 
> this
> hole in your visual sensor (eye)! You have to trick your perception system
> to demonstrate the existence of this hole in your visual loss! If that's 
> not
> enough, your brain can, to some extent, adjust the apparent sensitivity of
> your retina, and it can do it variably to the specific areas of interest 
> to
> you! This does not happen with film. What's there is what you get. For 
> these
> shots, you need to use fill flash. Doing this well is not a trivial mount
> the flash an shoot job. One needs to know how to balance the light from 
> the
> flash with the ambient light.
>
> Regarding 1 & 3, I shoot Pentax equipment mostly; I have no "N" stuff.
> Therefore I cannot help. When I have questions regarding my other brands 
> of
> photo equipment (Graflex, Argus, Sinar, etc.) I go to sites & lists 
> specific
> to those brands or types. Personally, I wouldn't dream of discussing any
> brand of equipment on a list devoted to different brand of equipment. It
> just seems... impolite and mildly offensive to me. But then that's just 
> me.
> Don't read too much into it.
>
> Regards,
> Bob...
> --------------------------------------------------------
> "Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection."
>      -Jean Luc Godard
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Glen Tortorella" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Since I have a new, more "advanced" body, the N80, I tried taking
>> some shots I would have avoided in the past.  The results were awful-- 
>> not one good shot on the entire role, a miserable 0-for-24 (Kodak
>> Gold 200).
>>
>> In the past, I would avoid two types of shots: 1) indoor shots and 2)
>> outdoor "high sun" shots in the fair weather months (i.e. during the
>> hours of about 10:00-4:00).  In doing so, I have assured myself
>> decent, but not necessarily perfect, results.  Since the N80 has a
>> better metering system (10-segment) and a pop-up flash that is
>> supposed to be pretty good, I figured: "let me see what it can do."
>> As I have said, the results were dreadful.  Here are the main issues.
>>
>> 1) Every indoor flash shot showed at least moderate spotlight/wash-
>> out effect of the subject (people).
>> 2) On the outdoor "high sun" shots, the camera turned a seemingly
>> minor shadows (through the viewfinder) on the subject's face into a
>> black blobs that covered almost all of the subject's face.
>> 3) When taking indoor shots with the flash, I would meter (10-
>> segment) something like 1/30 or 1/45 or perhaps 1/60 at, say, f2.
>> With the flash powered up, I do not think it ever metered
>> differently.  For example, 1/30 at f/2 was still 1/30 at f/2 with the
>> flash enabled.  Is this correct, or is there something wrong with my
>> camera?
>> 4) The one decent shot in the whole role--an indoor shot using only
>> available light...go figure?--was spoiled by some sort of small speck
>> on the subject's face.  I usually keep my filter free of dust, etc.
>> Could this speck have appeared as a result of the cheap processing I
>> used (Wal-Mart C-41)?
>>
>> I know that using a fill flash may have alleviated the problem
>> expressed in issue number 2, but, since I have had my subjects turn a
>> bit ghastly by using the flash, I am hesitant to use it indoors or
>> outdoors.  I would appreciate any advice or commentary (or even pep
>> talk), as I am pretty down about this.  What good is a more
>> "advanced" camera if I cannot even come remotely close to
>> satisfactory results on the more difficult shots (i.e. indoor, "high
>> sun," etc.)?
>
>
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