Too bad Pentax just didn't let their cameras evolve instead of forcing the 
issue. :-))

Tom C.

>From: "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]>
>To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: Disappointing Results
>Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 12:23:17 -0700
>
>Howdy!
>
>Regarding number 2:  What you "see" in the view finder (or without a camera
>for that matter) is NOT what's there. When you look at a real world object,
>you are perceiving it through what is possibly the most sophisticated 
>visual
>processing system ever produced on this earth! Not only will the iris 
>change
>with the lighting conditions, it will change to adapt to the subject or 
>even
>specific areas of a subject that you are interested in - and without the
>mistakes that cameras make trying to guess what you are interested in.
>Further, your brain processes the image to include filling in details that
>you can't see in such a manner that you can't know that it's doing it. For
>example, you have a blind spot in your eye where the optic bundle converges
>and turns inward to become the optic nerve - yet you are NEVER aware of 
>this
>hole in your visual sensor (eye)! You have to trick your perception system
>to demonstrate the existence of this hole in your visual loss! If that's 
>not
>enough, your brain can, to some extent, adjust the apparent sensitivity of
>your retina, and it can do it variably to the specific areas of interest to
>you! This does not happen with film. What's there is what you get. For 
>these
>shots, you need to use fill flash. Doing this well is not a trivial mount
>the flash an shoot job. One needs to know how to balance the light from the
>flash with the ambient light.
>
>Regarding 1 & 3, I shoot Pentax equipment mostly; I have no "N" stuff.
>Therefore I cannot help. When I have questions regarding my other brands of
>photo equipment (Graflex, Argus, Sinar, etc.) I go to sites & lists 
>specific
>to those brands or types. Personally, I wouldn't dream of discussing any
>brand of equipment on a list devoted to different brand of equipment. It
>just seems... impolite and mildly offensive to me. But then that's just me.
>Don't read too much into it.
>
>Regards,
>Bob...
>--------------------------------------------------------
>"Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection."
>       -Jean Luc Godard
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Glen Tortorella" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Since I have a new, more "advanced" body, the N80, I tried taking
> > some shots I would have avoided in the past.  The results were awful--
> > not one good shot on the entire role, a miserable 0-for-24 (Kodak
> > Gold 200).
> >
> > In the past, I would avoid two types of shots: 1) indoor shots and 2)
> > outdoor "high sun" shots in the fair weather months (i.e. during the
> > hours of about 10:00-4:00).  In doing so, I have assured myself
> > decent, but not necessarily perfect, results.  Since the N80 has a
> > better metering system (10-segment) and a pop-up flash that is
> > supposed to be pretty good, I figured: "let me see what it can do."
> > As I have said, the results were dreadful.  Here are the main issues.
> >
> > 1) Every indoor flash shot showed at least moderate spotlight/wash-
> > out effect of the subject (people).
> > 2) On the outdoor "high sun" shots, the camera turned a seemingly
> > minor shadows (through the viewfinder) on the subject's face into a
> > black blobs that covered almost all of the subject's face.
> > 3) When taking indoor shots with the flash, I would meter (10-
> > segment) something like 1/30 or 1/45 or perhaps 1/60 at, say, f2.
> > With the flash powered up, I do not think it ever metered
> > differently.  For example, 1/30 at f/2 was still 1/30 at f/2 with the
> > flash enabled.  Is this correct, or is there something wrong with my
> > camera?
> > 4) The one decent shot in the whole role--an indoor shot using only
> > available light...go figure?--was spoiled by some sort of small speck
> > on the subject's face.  I usually keep my filter free of dust, etc.
> > Could this speck have appeared as a result of the cheap processing I
> > used (Wal-Mart C-41)?
> >
> > I know that using a fill flash may have alleviated the problem
> > expressed in issue number 2, but, since I have had my subjects turn a
> > bit ghastly by using the flash, I am hesitant to use it indoors or
> > outdoors.  I would appreciate any advice or commentary (or even pep
> > talk), as I am pretty down about this.  What good is a more
> > "advanced" camera if I cannot even come remotely close to
> > satisfactory results on the more difficult shots (i.e. indoor, "high
> > sun," etc.)?
>
>
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