I'm not sure. Frankly, Sony and Canon (Manufacturers of the Sensors 
being discussed) haven't published these numbers where I can find them. 
All they seem willing to say is that they've improved that number.

You are right, without hard numbers on this, we simply can't tell how 
close to the theoretical max we are.

-Adam


Bob Sullivan wrote:
> PJ and Adam,
> The critical question I have for this sensor arguement is what portion
> the chip is actively engaged in light gathering.  75%, 85%, 95%?  I
> think you guys are dancing around the issue without addressing it.  We
> can all agree that no sensor can gather 110% of the light falling on
> it.  So what is technology at today?
> Regards,  Bob S.
> 
> On 10/15/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Sorry William but you seem to like baiting people. You offer nothing to
>> the argument so go away. Adam seems to think I don't understand how it
>> works. While I do. The math tells it all. He seems to think that you can
>> improve hardware beyond physical laws. My point is that you can trick
>> those laws but you can't get something for nothing. It's a legitimate
>> argument. You on the other hand ofter betray your ignorance, and have
>> complete disdain for people who don't agree with you. You often can't
>> take a joke, or even realize one has been made.. You can't refrain from
>> making political comments on the list then try to savage those who
>> respond. To think I actually sort of liked you, I need to get my head
>> examined. You and JCO should get a Condo together.
>>
>> William Robb wrote:
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Adam Maas"
>>> Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: anyone in the know (even under NDA) ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> High ISO noise performance is an area where most of the market has
>>>> improved while adding MP. Since there are hard, physical, limits on how
>>>> much light will hit a sensor site of theoretical max size for the
>>>> resolution and sensor size, this improvement indicates that we haven't
>>>> hit the actual physical limits of sensor design. We probably have hit
>>>> the current max for current sensor production technology, but that's not
>>>> to say that the production technology won't improve.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> This is starting to sound like a JCO hijacked thread. Adam, it's futile to
>>> argue with these toothless old republicans, they will never admit to their
>>> ignorance.
>>>
>>> William Robb
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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