your staying from the point which is that with a $1000 phono setup you cant say you are always or nearly always "record limited" sonically.
$1000 is not nearly enough budget to get the full sound quality of most records, so you are still playback gear limited at that level of gear. Nobody is claiming that a $10,000 turntable "sounds 10X better" than a $1,000 turntable, whatever that means, but they do sound AUDIBLY BETTER, and thats the point, in order to hear fully the quality of the recording, you have to have the really good playback equipment. Cost to do it and whether its worth the cost to YOU is a separate issue. But you cant rationalize in you mind that a $1000 turntable sounds identical/just as good as a $10K or $100K one just because you dont want to or cannnot afford to buy a $10k or $100K one. -- J.C. O'Connell (mailto:[email protected]) Join the CD PLAYER & DISC Discussions : http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdplayers/ http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdsound/ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom C Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 11:58 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: Vinyl vs. Digital - the "all vinyl is noisy" myth, , exposedinvideo Rob, I don't understand the ABX testing you mentioned (what is it?), but I do know that quite a bit of the higher end gear is made to appeal to the ego and I agree with your point. So is a $10,000 turntable 10X better than a $1000 turntable, or a $100K turntable 10X better than a $10K turntable?. I sincerely doubt it. That was my point about diminishing returns and as John Sessoms pointed out, there's a lot of different necessities as well as wants vying for priority when it comes to dividing up our own financial pies. Every single turntable from $250 on up makes the same basic claim regarding fidelity. Yes I do believe that spending more money on a given product may yield improvement in quality, but there's both a practical ceiling (i.e., I cannot afford any more) and there's some threshold at which the amount of money spent no longer represents a proprtional linear improvement in quality and may even start becoming inversely proportional to the improvement that's been achieved. Did that make any sense? :-) There's also the wife factor. I may be able to justify and get by with spending a $1000 on a new camera now and then. But if I spent as much money on a hi-fi system as could be spent on a vehicle or a house, my life would not be worth living. Tom On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Rob Studdert <[email protected]> wrote: > On 15/11/2009, J.C. O'Connell <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Not that Onkyo and Pioneer are junk, but they are >> are a long long away from full vinyl reproduction >> pinnacle, read my post and comprehend it, I said a >> $10,000 turntable doesn't sound as good as the >> best, currently around $100,000. By deduction a >> $1000 turntable doesn't sound as good as a $100K one either. your >> still playback gear limited at $1K for sure. > > John, that's just crap, of course one would hope that more $$$ in gear > would equate to improved resolution/fidelity but it's not a rule. At > that level for most people it's just another way to say look at me, > look at what I have, look at what I can afford, the repro fidelity is > secondary. > > A bit of ABX testing would sort out a lot of the BS that goes on in > the ultra-hifi circles, of course most "golden eared" folk won't go > near ABX testing just in case. > > Just my humble opinion (to which I'm also entitled). > > -- > Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) > Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours > Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
