On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Graydon <[email protected]> wrote:

> My problem with this particular photo is that the degree of, hrm, moderate
> murkiness gives it a sense of being old; these people are grandparents now.
>
> That takes away from the slice-of-life immediacy of the whole thing; the
> event depicted is a very immediate, right-this-second transitory event.
> There's a point to be made about yeah, that kind of right-this-second
> transitory event happened fifty years ago and five hundred years ago,
> too, but the specific camera-beyond-its-capabilities aesthetic starts to
> push the moment into a murkiness of potential meanings because the
> possible intended implications of the depiction are so much broader than
> the one little narrow moment being depicted.
>
> (Is this *ironic* reference to "it's been going on as long as people
> were people" or *non-ironic* reference to "it's been going as long as
> people were people"?  Should the camera-beyond-its-limits aesthetic be
> understood as nostalgia, early aesthetic fixation, or a comment on the
> scope of the utility of technology?  And so on.)
>
> I don't find your photos that lack the murkiness to do this, even when
> they're quite dark.  I think this is because I take the murkiness as an
> assertion of the irrelevance of the chronological location of the moment
> depicted; "it doesn't matter when this happened".  "It doesn't matter
> when this happened" is a lot of weight to put on the bar scene
> equivalent of "O HAI" and I don't think the moment in question is quite
> up to that.  It's a fine and excellent moment; it's not plausibly a
> *robust* moment unless we know for sure that they are now grandparents
> with one another, and we don't know that, so the dislocation in time (to
> me) diminishes the effectiveness of the scene.

But did you like it?

cheers,
frank

;-)

-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

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