Ken, Earlier this year, Lynn & I visited her old hometown, the Quad-cities. We spent an hour or two at Mississippi Lock & Dam #14 on the Iowa side. The Bald Eagles were nesting above the parking lot, and 2 or 3 carloads of photographers in showmobile suits were wandering about. They had big glass and gimbal mounts on their tripods. When I see all those folks with big glass, I get jealous. (And Lynn doesn't think I'm crazy when I want one of those.) Regards, Bob S.
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 2:33 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> I see the guys like Ken Waller running around with big glass on Wembly >> head >> and I'm jealous. > > > Ah yes lens envy! > > Actually, Bob I use a 'King Cobra' head from Kirk and I don't run around > with that rig like I use to. ;+) > > > > Kenneth Waller > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Sullivan" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Mr. Bunnell on lens pricing... > > > Paul, > I've managed with my A300/4 and the DA60-250. > I'd like the 500/4 for birding. > The A300 plus the AF1.7X comes close, but the image quality could be better. > I see the guys like Ken Waller running around with big glass on Wembly head > and I'm jealous. > Regards, Bob S. > > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Paul Stenquist <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> >> On Apr 19, 2012, at 4:11 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: >> >>> Tom, >>> I have to say that I'm beginning to feel like you. >>> I've faithfully upgraded my way thru Pentax cameras to the K-5. (DS, >>> K-10, K-20, K-7, K-5) >>> Now I'm beginning to wonder where/when I'll be able to buy long & fast >>> AF glass for Pentax. >> >> >> I believe Pentax has a 500/4 on the lens timeline that will be available >> next year. There's also a 300 and a 200, and of course the 60-250. No real >> shortage of lenses IMO. >> >> >>> The only option is to go Canon/Nikon. >>> So I am beginning to lose the faith… >> >> >> What do you want to shoot that you can't shoot with your K-5? >> >>> Regards, Bob S. >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Tom C <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> From: Darren Addy <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> I'm certainly a value/bang-for the buck kind of guy. I'm terribly late >>>>> to the K-5 party, but I'm hoping to snag one soon. I believe that it >>>>> is *still* near the top of the heap (if not at the top) of the best >>>>> APS-C cameras available today. I'm pretty pleased with the 20x30 >>>>> prints I've seen from APS-C cameras and frankly, I don't think there >>>>> are many images that I'm going larger than that with. I think it >>>>> provides a lot of bang-for-the-buck particularly if one can buy one >>>>> around $900 (body). I also think it is sort of amazing that I can get >>>>> *still* probably within $75 for what I paid for my K-x (which I >>>>> purchases as a low-mileage used kit) - which will help pay for the >>>>> upgrade. That's value too. >>>>> >>>>> Comparing that to the Nikon 800/E (which is 3x the price of the K-5) >>>>> is sort of like comparing a $25,000 Prius with a $75,000 Mercedes Benz >>>>> CLS. They aren't really targeting the same demographic. If your >>>>> discretionary income let's you afford some of the finer things in >>>>> life, more power to you. A lot of people are going to have a harder >>>>> time justifying an additional $2000 for a camera body, particularly if >>>>> it also means they start from Square One on lenses and other >>>>> accessories. (Frankly, a lot of the 800/E specs seem aimed more at >>>>> videography than still.) If *Pentax* released a full frame camera with >>>>> the 800's specs of only 4 FPS and top (real) ISO of 6400, you could >>>>> hear the PentaxForums screams in Nebraska. >>>>> >>>>> I don't think the fact that there are far more expensive cars out >>>>> there changes the bang-for-the-buck with the Prius and I'd say the >>>>> same for the K-5. Should Pentax announce a full frame camera (I'm last >>>>> of the true believers) particularly for in the neighborhood of $2700 >>>>> that can take advantage of all your K-mount stuff, I'd think that >>>>> would have to give one looking for another step-up pause. >>>> >>>> >>>> Well, I'm not saying the K-5 doesn't deliver bang for the buck even >>>> now. For me it's just a bit late in it's life cycle. I bought late >>>> into the K20D and late into the K-7 (had I waited a few more months >>>> I'd have had a K-5). So I'm determined not to do that again. >>>> >>>> I appreciate the accuracy of your arithmetic. $1000 vs. $3000 and >>>> $25,000 vs. $75000 are both factors of 3. :-) >>>> >>>> There's a $2000 difference in the first case and a $50000 difference >>>> in the second. While being equivalent in magnitude, in real $ there's >>>> a huge difference. >>>> >>>> BTW, I'm not being argumentative, just blabbering. >>>> >>>> Let's start from the premise that most people wouldn't spend $3000 on >>>> a camera. I agree. In fact I can't justify it for myself (so I've >>>> compartmentalized that and hidden it away so I don't feel unduly >>>> guilty). The 645D is a $10,000 camera so even less people would >>>> purchase that. >>>> >>>> The 645D is a 40MP camera. The D800/E is a 36MP camera. Cost per MP >>>> calculation: >>>> >>>> 645D is $250/MP >>>> 800E is $92/MP >>>> (K-5 is $62.50/MP if priced at $1000) >>>> >>>> In those terms, the 800E is delivering a lot of bang for the buck and >>>> there's a full compliment of AF lenses available. >>>> >>>> The D800E has 90% of the resolution of a 645D yet the cost is only 1/3 >>>> that of a 645D. The K-5 has about 48.5% the resolution of the D800E >>>> and the cost is slightly less than 1/3 that of a D800E. Both the D800E >>>> and K-5 offer significant bang for the buck. >>>> >>>> I agree with your rationale on the K-5, It's why I continued to buy >>>> Pentax after Pentax, K-mount after K-mount. On the other hand many >>>> people will find themselves scrounging for, or purchasing new FF >>>> lenses in K-mount, were Pentax to come out with a FF body. Using only >>>> legacy non-AF lenses or APS-C lenses on such a body would negate many >>>> of the potential benefits. >>>> >>>> For me though, I think the time has come where I ask 'do I keep on >>>> spending money on Pentax?'. >>>> >>>> I think the 645D, the Q, and the K-01 are all further signs of a >>>> company that's out of touch with reality (I don't deny the same for >>>> myself sometimes). The fact that they don't have their DSLR's in >>>> mass-market brick and mortar retail outlets is another sign. Have they >>>> just awoken to the fact it may be a good idea? >>>> >>>> Looked at another way, if I'd not bought a K20D (or K-7), had not >>>> bought about $2500 of K-mount lenses in the past 4 years, I could >>>> easily have paid for a D800E. >>>> >>>> Tom C. > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
