Here is an estimate received this week: $0.00 Down $257/month Fixed for 20 years – no increase 14,720 kWh/yr. 96% offset
OR $33,504 initial cost Electrical Savings: $2,700/yr. State Incentive: $2,100/yr. Net: $4,800/yr. ROI: 14.3% Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:04 PM, George Sinos <[email protected]> wrote: > Also, it should be understood that wind and solar are alternatives, > not replacements for traditional power plants. Solar and wind must be > backed up by traditional generation, even if it is held in reserve. > When the wind doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine, people still > want electricity. > > So, wind and solar can be used to defer the use of traditional > resources, but eventually those traditional resources will be needed. > As Paul says, currently wind and solar make up a very, very small > percentage of current generation and it's likely to be that way for a > long time. There just isn't enough space to build all of the wind > turbines and solar panels that would be necessary. > > I'm curious to hear a recent cost scenario for solar on a typical > home. Just a year or two ago installing enough panels to generate a > significant amount of power had a 20 to 30 year payback. Very few > people are willing (or able) to make that kind of investment. > > I'm not against wind or solar, I just don't see the significant growth > of their use happening soon. > > gs > > George Sinos > -------------------- > [email protected] > www.georgesphotos.net > plus.georgesinos.com > > > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Paul Stenquist <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> On Aug 13, 2012, at 3:50 PM, <[email protected]> <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Duh.... Me too >>> >>> Kenneth Waller >>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: Peso: The White Towers >>> >>> >>>> Ah, well, my comment in the previous post about those things being "scary" >>>> was because I thought it was a nuclear plant. >>>> >>>> Not that coal is ideal but if one believes the current propaganda it can >>>> actually be quite clean these days. I think I'd prefer fossil fuel to >>>> nuclear. >>>> >> >> Coal is by far the dirtiest fuel that can be burned to produce energy, even >> with high-tech scrubbing devices. They can't scrub away the greenhouse >> gases. Natural gas is much better, for example, but the ill-founded fracking >> paranoia has limited development of that resource. As public hysteria leads >> to the shuttering of more nuclear plants, the power-producing infrastructure >> will get dirtier. Much dirtier. Some super-clean super-safe hydro plants >> are being shut down as well in order to save fish. The current population of >> active and planned windmills and solar installations has minimal effect on >> the overall picture. Clean power is a LONG way off. >> >> Paul >>>> Cheers, >>>> frank >>>> >>>> "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- >>>> Christopher Hitchens >>>> >>>> --- Original Message --- >>>> >>>> From: Steven Desjardins <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: August 11, 2012 8/11/12 >>>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: Peso: The White Towers >>>> >>>> Nope. Fall River, Mass. That's a coal-fired power plant. The hot >>>> water they were releasing into the river was harming the fish, so they >>>> built cooling towers like aNuclear plant. It's essentially a >>>> self-contained system. As funny as it is, those towers make the plant >>>> a bit more green. >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Walter Hamler <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Is that Three Mile Is, PA ? >>>>> >>>>> Walt >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Steven Desjardins <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> I went to my hometown last week to visit my family. I hadn't been >>>>>> home in about 4 years, and I while walking through the park I got a >>>>>> good view of some new construction: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/i-bmxVGWm/0/XL/towers-XL.jpg >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm about 3 miles away. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Steve Desjardins >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>>>> follow the directions. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>>> follow the directions. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Steve Desjardins >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> [email protected] >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> [email protected] >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
