I used to fix mainframes in the 60's-80's. Even scarier how those used to fail with few symptoms!
I use Windows Home Server as my backup/server platform. It duplicates all my files on separate drives as well as full backups of our PC's. The server manages 12TB for me. And I still do an offsite backup once a month or so, esp. after adding a lot of photos like after our recent cruise (11,000 DNG's) When I have to replace that server (WHS is now abonded), I will build a server using some small motherboard, Windows 8 and Drive Bender (http://www.drivebender.com/) to do the 'make it look like 1 big drive and do duplication' stuff. I would prefer to use Windows Server Essentials 2012 but can't afford it (>$400). I am waiting for a sale on Elements and will then upgrade to 11 from 9. That should take care of my needs as I already use LR4. Until of course Bruce educates me on layers at which point I will probably outgrow Elemnts :-( Gerrit -----Original Message----- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of eactiv...@aol.com Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 3:11 PM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Adobe acknowledges cool reception Thanks, Bruce (and Gerrit) that explains a lot. Seems I was foggy all around, since I didn't spell fogie right. Heh. And agree, Peter, I can do it cheaper myself than I could by subscription. Guess I better upgrade my LR and Elements before it/they becomes/become cloud. Not sure Elements hasn't already, but one can usually find older copies (using 8 now). Well, I've been a computer programmer, so I have an inherent distrust of the reliability of any computer/computer-related hardware. Uh, they fail, from time to time. One should have lots of redundancy. I trust me to do that. Not sure I would ever trust anyone else to do it as well. Marnie aka Doe ;-) In a message dated 5/31/2013 9:49:31 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bruce.wal...@gmail.com writes: Marnie, the "Cloud" word is a red herring. Nobody is requiring you to save your files anywhere other than than what you do with them now. So forget remote server, you save your files on your PC like you always have. And your software still runs on your PC just as always. Nothing processes In The Cloud somewhere. Once you install Photoshop, it's biz as usual. In this context, "Cloud" is Adobe marketing people smoking up and saying, "Oooh yeah! <pfffffff-choke> Cloud is hip! Let's get that cloud word in our product name somewhere." It could equally have been Creative Unicorns. There are cloudy trimmings in the product, like the Behance social site and the fact that you download the software "from the cloud". But they are almost completely misusing the word Cloud as IT people know it. Basically Adobe has discontinued selling the Creative Suite (Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, etc.) as boxed software. Instead they are renting it to us in bundles, like cable TV channel packages. So in theory you can get a lot of software for less money per month than you used to pay for the entire Creative Suite plus upgrades every 1.5 years. That's great for professional graphic artists working for a Fortune 500 firm. But for free-lance or amateur photographers who just want Photoshop for as little moola as possible, and expect to buy it like a book that you keep forever, this move amounts to $20/month to Adobe for the rest of your creative life. Because when you stop paying, the software stops working. Your Adobe proprietary files become unreadable. It should be noted that photographers *should* be saving their files in a non-proprietary form, like TIFF, JPEG or even DNG if you trust Adobe's intentions for that format. But lots of folks have projects saved away in PSD (Photoshop), etc., who want to open and work on them from time to time. Lightroom has been spared this tragic move; you will still buy it like a book and pay for individual upgrades. For now. On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 10:40 AM, <eactiv...@aol.com> wrote: > Maybe I am missing something, probably am, being the old foggy that > I am > -- but why in the #$%! should I want to store my photos on a remote server? > I guess I think I am missing the point of "cloud." I mean, thank you very > much, but I prefer storing my photos on my own computer (and back up hard > drives). > > Marnie aka Doe > > In a message dated 5/30/2013 12:19:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > bruce.wal...@gmail.com writes: > Now, was that Company A ('80's) or Company I ('90's)? ;-) > > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Gerrit Visser <gerrit...@gmail.com> wrote: >> So really they are saying what I learned to say at a company we >> both > worked >> for: "Thank you for your input". This of course meant that I mostly > ignored >> it :-) >> >> Gerrit >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bruce >> Walker >> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 9:23 AM >> To: Pentax Discuss Mailing List >> Subject: Adobe acknowledges cool reception >> >> Adobe finally issues a brief response to the Creative Cloud backlash. >> > http://blogs.adobe.com/creativecloud/our-move-to-creative-cloud-an-update/ >> >> In a nutshell: >> >> "Gosh, a few folks don't like subscription services. 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