On May 5, 2014, at 10:42 AM, John <[email protected]> wrote:

> That's the way I understand bokeh, so it's at least a minority of two.

Bokeh is the quality (what it’s like, not the goodness) of what is out of 
focus, not what it out of focus. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong.


> 
> On 5/4/2014 8:04 PM, Bryan Jacoby wrote:
>> I don't mean to be particular (sometimes pronounced "jerk"), but I
>> believe that bokeh is the aesthetic quality of the out of focus areas
>> of an image.  What you are talking about is the degree to which the
>> background is out of focus (akin to, but not precisely the same as,
>> depth of field -- I say not precisely the same as because even in your
>> f/5.6 image the background flowers are clearly outside the depth of
>> field).  Your usage of bokeh is quite common (in fact perhaps becoming
>> so common that I'm in the minority here, in which case you may call me
>> a misinformed jerk rather than just a jerk), but I'm not sure that
>> it's correct.
>> 
>> From the OED:
>> 
>> The visual quality of the out-of-focus areas of a photographic image,
>> especially as rendered by a particular lens:
>> 'a quick, visual survey of the foreground and background bokeh of a
>> variety of lenses'
>> 'It is easily light enough for a handheld supertelephoto lens, but
>> what would the bokeh be like?'
>> 'Many buy this lens to escape the often poor bokeh of the Vega, but is
>> it really better?'
>> 'Some folks feel the best bokeh has an undefined, blurred edge.'
>> 
>> Nice photos, though!
>> 
>> On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Tim Bray <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Thinking about the differences between an F1.4 and an F5.6 tulip:
>>> https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2014/05/04/Bokeh-or-not
>>> 
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