On May 5, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Bob W-PDML <[email protected]> wrote:

> He would, but it's all out of focus…

Damn presbyopia.  Whoever coined the term “nifty fifties” sure wasn’t talking 
about age.


> 
>> On 5 May 2014, at 21:33, "John" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Proofread Larry.
>> 
>>> On 5/5/2014 1:57 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On May 5, 2014, at 10:42 AM, John <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> That's the way I understand bokeh, so it's at least a minority of two.
>>> 
>>> Bokeh is the quality (what it’s like, not the goodness) of what is out of 
>>> focus, not what it out of focus. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 5/4/2014 8:04 PM, Bryan Jacoby wrote:
>>>>> I don't mean to be particular (sometimes pronounced "jerk"), but I
>>>>> believe that bokeh is the aesthetic quality of the out of focus areas
>>>>> of an image.  What you are talking about is the degree to which the
>>>>> background is out of focus (akin to, but not precisely the same as,
>>>>> depth of field -- I say not precisely the same as because even in your
>>>>> f/5.6 image the background flowers are clearly outside the depth of
>>>>> field).  Your usage of bokeh is quite common (in fact perhaps becoming
>>>>> so common that I'm in the minority here, in which case you may call me
>>>>> a misinformed jerk rather than just a jerk), but I'm not sure that
>>>>> it's correct.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From the OED:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The visual quality of the out-of-focus areas of a photographic image,
>>>>> especially as rendered by a particular lens:
>>>>> 'a quick, visual survey of the foreground and background bokeh of a
>>>>> variety of lenses'
>>>>> 'It is easily light enough for a handheld supertelephoto lens, but
>>>>> what would the bokeh be like?'
>>>>> 'Many buy this lens to escape the often poor bokeh of the Vega, but is
>>>>> it really better?'
>>>>> 'Some folks feel the best bokeh has an undefined, blurred edge.'
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nice photos, though!
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Tim Bray <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> Thinking about the differences between an F1.4 and an F5.6 tulip:
>>>>>> https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2014/05/04/Bokeh-or-not
>>>>>> 
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