John - Elements 5.0 definitely has layers and layer masks.

for photography I use photoshop without layers - except for adding my copyright info or captions. But I do a fair amount of graphic design stuff for the calendar covers,book covers, T-shirts, and such. It doesn't seem to me that lightroom (from what people have said) would
ever be necessary for my workflow.

I'm sure I could use some lessons in maximizing the usefulness of
masks and layers but for the most part I can muddle through with what
I have.  I sometimes go back to Elements 2 for some specific things
that seem to have been dropped by the subsequent versions.

ann

On 12/6/2014 03:15, Bob W-PDML wrote:
On 6 Dec 2014, at 01:11, John <[email protected]> wrote:

[...]

I hadn't considered Photoshop Elements because I've not used it, but a
quick search tells me the later versions of Elements have at least some
of the tools I want that Lightroom doesn't seem to have - i.e. LAYERS,
layer masks, blending modes ...


LR and PS are built around different metaphors. Layers are a graphic design 
concept, not a photography concept. LR is built around the idea of a darkroom, 
where there are no layers as far as I recall. This I think is key to 
understanding LR.

What results can you achieve with layers etc. that you can't achieve in LR by a 
more 'darkroomy' means?

I think these things often come down to people preferring what they're used to. 
When they're used to doing something one way in a system, that can sometimes 
seem like the only way. So if a new system achieves the same outcome 
differently people can struggle to adapt, and find themselves fighting against 
the new system, trying to force-fit it into the old metaphor. I've been 
watching people do this at work for 35 years and I've been through it myself a 
few times, notably when I first encountered a computer mouse, and also when I 
discovered relational database theory, which I eventually decided is the dog's 
bollocks and the secret of life itself (well almost - that accolade goes to 
discrete mathematics).

B


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