LOL On 1 September, 2015 2:36:52 PM EDT, Ken Waller <[email protected]> wrote: >>I bet Audi wish they had black boxes in the 80s... > > >I bet they wish they had handled the entire unintended acceleration >issue >differently... > >Kenneth Waller >http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Knarf" <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: OT: Woo Hoo! > > >>I bet Audi wish they had black boxes in the 80s... >> >> Cheers, >> >> frank >> >> On 1 September, 2015 2:11:57 PM EDT, Ken Waller ><[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>>Self-driven cars will record all the variables that they monitor and >>>>control, and there will be a blackbox >recorder like on a plane, >which >>>will >>>>be amenable to independent accident investigators, not to say >lawyers, >>>so >>>> >there will be nowhere for the manufacturers to hide. >>> >>>So called 'blackboxes' have been in new cars for several years - >>>recording >>>among other things accelerator & brake pedal usage. The issue has >>>surfaced >>>as to who 'owns' the data - the car owner, law enforcement. In some >>>cases >>>I'm aware of it has taken a court order for outsiders to access the >>>data. >>> >>>Black boxes are great in unintended acceleration cases especially >where >>>the >>>driver states he was pressing the brake pedal when the data shown >>>otherwisw. >>> >>>Kenneth Waller >>>http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Bob W-PDML" <[email protected]> >>>Subject: Re: OT: Woo Hoo! >>> >>> >>>> That case was nearly 50 years ago; since that time consumer power >has >>> >>>> changed dramatically, and so has the availability of evidence. >>>Self-driven >>>> cars will record all the variables that they monitor and control, >and >>> >>>> there will be a blackbox recorder like on a plane, which will be >>>amenable >>>> to independent accident investigators, not to say lawyers, so there >>>will >>>> be nowhere for the manufacturers to hide. >>>> >>>> They have no choice but to put safety before profit. The >alternative >>>is no >>>> more manufacturer. >>>> >>>> Because of increased consumer power, thanks to people like Ralph >>>Nader who >>>> was so vilified by so many Americans caught up in the corporate >lie, >>>> manufacturers are far quicker to recall products for much smaller >>>issues, >>>> and in the case of software it will be far easier and cheaper to >>>correct >>>> it than will ever be the case with hardware. >>>> >>>> B >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 31 Aug 2015, at 21:30, John <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Do you remember the Ford Pinto with the faulty gas tanks? >>>>> >>>>> http://www.autosafety.org/uploads/phpq3mJ7F_FordMemo.pdf >>>>> >>>>> Do you think the manufacturers of self-driving cars will be any >more >>>>> ethical? Will they put passenger safety ahead of profit? >>>>> >>>>>> On 8/31/2015 3:25 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: >>>>>>> On 31 Aug 2015, at 20:10, John <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> According to some, [...] those who deny that it is possible are >>>>>>> wrong. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [...] The conspiracy folks [...] >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you really, really think that the people who are designing >this >>>>>> stuff are not aware of the risks, and do not spend a lot of time >>>and >>>>>> money thinking about this stuff, working through the >possibilities >>>>>> and the countermeasures? Have you any idea at all of the types of >>>>>> people who are involved in designing and validating >safety-critical >>>>>> software? >>>>>> >>>>>> Even so, it won't be perfect, but anyone who thinks that the >risks >>>of >>>>>> the imperfect software coupled with a bloody big Stop! button in >>>>>> every car outweigh the benefits of saving upwards of 1,000,000 >>>lives >>>>>> per year lost as the result of human errors must be barking mad.
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