Do you consider humans to be part of the evolutionary scale?
Alan C
-----Original Message-----
From: knarf
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 2:28 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor
We were talking about protesters and anti-fur, but you correctly surmise
that I am sympathetic to their cause. And yes, many of the protesters we met
on Sunday are vegans, some of whom we've met at vegan events.
We've discussed my dietary veganism before, and while there are no "rules",
ethical vegans normally take the position that it is wrong to exploit
animals. For that reason we do not knowingly consume animal products, and
that extends beyond diet. I do not want to use any product that came from an
animal: that includes leather, wool, silk, etc. It gets tricky because some
glues have animal products. Some beer has fish - derived isinglas (a
foaming agent). Sometimes one really has to research to make sure they are
not unwittingly exploiting animals.
As for my shoes, I mostly wear canvas running shoes (Converse Chuck Taylor's
to be exact) and my dress shoes are synthetic that have the look (but not
cruelty) of leather.
Thanks for asking.
And by "native" we were referring to North America's First Nations people ,
the descendants of those who greeted the first Europeans when they arrived
here. We used to call them "Indians" because many early explorers were
geographically challenged. That term is no longer used as we now reserve it
for those who are actually from the country India.
Cheers,
frank
On November 25, 2015 2:36:11 AM EST, Alan C <[email protected]> wrote:
What about your leather shoes? And what is a native?
Alan C
-----Original Message-----
From: knarf
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 7:49 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor
You said "no store sells fur". I found one that does. I didn't say Holt
Renfrew in Toronto sells wolf coats. I was making answer to a very
specific
statement you made.
That being said, most wolf fur sold is ~not~ for coats, it's trim.
There's
every possibility that there are coats in Holt's with wolf trim. And
even if
there isn't, they do sell fur. That's what the protest was generally
about,
the sale of any fur. Their placards educated about the fur industry as
a
whole, including coyote fur, which is far more commonly sold.
Why are you getting so hung up on details? Does that diminish the
protest
for you in some way, if you feel can find a few inaccuracies or
inconsistencies?
By the way, kudos on playing the "traditional Native lifestyle" card!
Now if
we really gave a crap about their lifestyle we'd enforce broken
treaties and
give back stolen lands.
BTW most fur isn't trapped by natives. Or from North America. Or even
trapped. The vast majority of pelts sold are from European and Asian
fur
farms. Just so you know...
Cheers,
frank
On November 25, 2015 12:09:49 AM EST, "Daniel J. Matyola"
<[email protected]> wrote:
They were protesting a store, Frank. What does this site have to do
with the store they were protesting -- or any of the legitimate stores
that PETA demonstrates against?
Quite frankly, there will always be wolves and other species that can
be hunted and used under certain circumstances, especially by native
peoples, Preserving their traditional life style is more important.
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 10:44 PM, knarf <[email protected]>
wrote:
http://www.peterpalms.com/wolf/
Probably made up by some PETA looney to discredit the fur
industry...
Cheers,
frank
On November 24, 2015 10:33:59 PM EST, "Daniel J. Matyola"
<[email protected]> wrote:
No store sells wolf fur. Pure propaganda.
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:36 PM, John <[email protected]>
wrote:
I think that's wolf fur.
On 11/23/2015 11:47 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
Children are dying of malnutrition; they protest about rodents.
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 7:43 PM, frank theriault
<[email protected]> wrote:
As we walked downtown yesterday we saw a bunch of police cars in
front
of Holt's, a very upscale department store. An animal rights
group
was
protesting fur in general, but also the fact that Holt's sells
it:
I'll likely have a gallery later in the week, but until then,
this
kind of sums it up:
http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/11/the-protestor.html
Fur trim on parkas and coats is unfortunately seeing a
resurgence
around these parts. I'll keep political thoughts to myself.
Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
cheers,
frank
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