That won't do my gout any good. B
> On 26 Nov 2015, at 12:02, Alan C <[email protected]> wrote: > > Cheddarmelt steak, two eggs, mopane worms & chips fried in lard. > > Alan C > > > -----Original Message----- From: Bob W > Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 12:43 PM > To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' > Subject: RE: PESO - The Protestor > > I'm not as strong-willed as Frank, so I don't mind answering this because > I'm curious to see where it's going. > > Humans are most closely related to common chimps and to bonobos. Since > common chimps and bonobos diverged after humans diverged we are equally > closely related to both. > > Jared Diamond wrote an excellent book called The Rise and Fall of the Third > Chimpanzee in which he argues for the rights of the (other) great apes, and > talks about the closeness of humans and chimps. It's quite an old book now > so some of the human ancestry stuff is probably outdated, but it is still an > excellent read. > > The question of the most recent common ancestor of humans and chimps does > not seem to have been settled yet. There are several candidates, but > discoveries seem to happen so often that before the ink is dry on the latest > paper someone announces another candidate. > > I don't think there's any reason to suppose we'll ever identify The One. > There seems to have been a very complex and rapid set of speciations > happening around the estimated time of the split. Even if fossils are found > of The One it may be difficult to prove among all the other candidates, but > we'll probably have a reasonably accurate idea of the type of creature it > was. > > The current candidates include Orrorin tugenensis from Kenya, and > Sahelanthropus tchadensis, but there are so many different theories that > somebody like me who just follows the subject from a distance would be > unwise to say 'this is the one'. Having watched from the sidelines for about > 40 years and seen so many apparently strong candidates sidelined I wouldn't > even hazard a guess. > > Can I have my surprise now? > > B > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: PDML [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alan C >> Sent: Thursday, 26 November, 2015 5:06 AM >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >> >> Go on, I dare you, be a devil. Do some research. You may be surprised what >> you find. >> >> Alan C >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: knarf >> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 6:52 AM >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >> >> I have no idea which other great ape is "closest" to humans. I suppose it >> would be either chimps or bonobos but that's just a non-scientific > feeling. >> My opinion really doesn't mean much. >> >> Whoever the common ancestor of the great apes was, is not a matter of >> opinion. However I have no idea who that might be. Paleontology is not an >> area that I have much expertise, or for that matter, interest in. >> >> Cheers, >> >> frank >> >> On November 25, 2015 10:40:52 PM EST, Alan C <[email protected]> wrote: >> >You're right. Perhaps "living cousins" would have been better. >> >"Genetically >> >we're close to chimps, bonobos, gorillas and orangutans" - which, in >> >your opinion is closest to humans? Do you have an opinion as to who the >> >common ancestor may have been. "I have to say, I rather feel as if I'm >> >being cross-examined here, as if you're moving toward a conclusion, or >> >tying to trap me in some way" - not really, I'm trying to establish a >> >common base so we can further our discourse. >> > >> >Alan C >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: knarf >> >Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:10 PM >> >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> >Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >> > >> >I don't understand your question. We don't have any "living ancestors" >> >in >> >evolutionary terms. >> > >> >As I said earlier, we're great apes, so genetically we're close to >> >chimps, bonobos, gorillas and orangutans. But they aren't ancestors or >> >somehow "below" us. We share a common ancestor and each species has >> >evolved differently to where we are today. >> > >> >I have to say, I rather feel as if I'm being cross-examined here, as if >> > >> >you're moving toward a conclusion, or tying to trap me in some way. >> > >> >Could we get to the point please? >> > >> >Thanks, >> > >> >frank >> > >> >On November 25, 2015 11:08:57 AM EST, Alan C <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>Which are our closest living ancestors or perhaps those most like us? >> >> >> >>Alan C >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: knarf >> >>Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 4:57 PM >> >>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> >>Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >> >> >> >>I'm not sure exactly what you mean, however humans are animals, great >> >>apes to be exact, and like every other animal on the face of the >> >>earth, we have evolved from ancestors to our current form. >> >> >> >>Cheers, >> >> >> >>frank >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>On November 25, 2015 9:41:37 AM EST, Alan C <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>Do you consider humans to be part of the evolutionary scale? >> >>> >> >>>Alan C > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
