I have no idea which other great ape is "closest" to humans. I suppose it would be either chimps or bonobos but that's just a non-scientific feeling. My opinion really doesn't mean much.
Whoever the common ancestor of the great apes was, is not a matter of opinion. However I have no idea who that might be. Paleontology is not an area that I have much expertise, or for that matter, interest in. Cheers, frank On November 25, 2015 10:40:52 PM EST, Alan C <[email protected]> wrote: >You're right. Perhaps "living cousins" would have been better. >"Genetically >we're close to chimps, bonobos, gorillas and orangutans" - which, in >your >opinion is closest to humans? Do you have an opinion as to who the >common >ancestor may have been. "I have to say, I rather feel as if I'm being >cross-examined here, as if you're moving toward a conclusion, or tying >to >trap me in some way" - not really, I'm trying to establish a common >base so >we can further our discourse. > >Alan C > >-----Original Message----- >From: knarf >Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:10 PM >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor > >I don't understand your question. We don't have any "living ancestors" >in >evolutionary terms. > >As I said earlier, we're great apes, so genetically we're close to >chimps, >bonobos, gorillas and orangutans. But they aren't ancestors or somehow >"below" us. We share a common ancestor and each species has evolved >differently to where we are today. > >I have to say, I rather feel as if I'm being cross-examined here, as if > >you're moving toward a conclusion, or tying to trap me in some way. > >Could we get to the point please? > >Thanks, > >frank > >On November 25, 2015 11:08:57 AM EST, Alan C <[email protected]> wrote: >>Which are our closest living ancestors or perhaps those most like us? >> >>Alan C >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: knarf >>Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 4:57 PM >>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >> >>I'm not sure exactly what you mean, however humans are animals, great >>apes >>to be exact, and like every other animal on the face of the earth, we >>have >>evolved from ancestors to our current form. >> >>Cheers, >> >>frank >> >> >> >>On November 25, 2015 9:41:37 AM EST, Alan C <[email protected]> wrote: >>>Do you consider humans to be part of the evolutionary scale? >>> >>>Alan C >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: knarf >>>Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 2:28 PM >>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >>> >>>We were talking about protesters and anti-fur, but you correctly >>>surmise >>>that I am sympathetic to their cause. And yes, many of the protesters >>>we met >>>on Sunday are vegans, some of whom we've met at vegan events. >>> >>>We've discussed my dietary veganism before, and while there are no >>>"rules", >>>ethical vegans normally take the position that it is wrong to exploit >>>animals. For that reason we do not knowingly consume animal products, >>>and >>>that extends beyond diet. I do not want to use any product that came >>>from an >>>animal: that includes leather, wool, silk, etc. It gets tricky >because >>>some >>>glues have animal products. Some beer has fish - derived isinglas (a >>>foaming agent). Sometimes one really has to research to make sure >they >>>are >>>not unwittingly exploiting animals. >>> >>>As for my shoes, I mostly wear canvas running shoes (Converse Chuck >>>Taylor's >>>to be exact) and my dress shoes are synthetic that have the look (but >>>not >>>cruelty) of leather. >>> >>>Thanks for asking. >>> >>>And by "native" we were referring to North America's First Nations >>>people , >>>the descendants of those who greeted the first Europeans when they >>>arrived >>>here. We used to call them "Indians" because many early explorers >were >>>geographically challenged. That term is no longer used as we now >>>reserve it >>>for those who are actually from the country India. >>> >>>Cheers, >>> >>>frank >>> >>>On November 25, 2015 2:36:11 AM EST, Alan C <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>What about your leather shoes? And what is a native? >>>> >>>>Alan C >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: knarf >>>>Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 7:49 AM >>>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>Subject: Re: PESO - The Protestor >>>> >>>>You said "no store sells fur". I found one that does. I didn't say >>>Holt >>>> >>>>Renfrew in Toronto sells wolf coats. I was making answer to a very >>>>specific >>>>statement you made. >>>> >>>>That being said, most wolf fur sold is ~not~ for coats, it's trim. >>>>There's >>>>every possibility that there are coats in Holt's with wolf trim. And >>>>even if >>>>there isn't, they do sell fur. That's what the protest was generally >>>>about, >>>>the sale of any fur. Their placards educated about the fur industry >>as >>>>a >>>>whole, including coyote fur, which is far more commonly sold. >>>> >>>>Why are you getting so hung up on details? Does that diminish the >>>>protest >>>>for you in some way, if you feel can find a few inaccuracies or >>>>inconsistencies? >>>> >>>>By the way, kudos on playing the "traditional Native lifestyle" >card! >>>>Now if >>>>we really gave a crap about their lifestyle we'd enforce broken >>>>treaties and >>>>give back stolen lands. >>>> >>>>BTW most fur isn't trapped by natives. Or from North America. Or >even >>>>trapped. The vast majority of pelts sold are from European and Asian >>>>fur >>>>farms. Just so you know... >>>> >>>> >>>>Cheers, >>>> >>>>frank >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>On November 25, 2015 12:09:49 AM EST, "Daniel J. Matyola" >>>><[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>They were protesting a store, Frank. What does this site have to >do >>>>>with the store they were protesting -- or any of the legitimate >>>stores >>>>>that PETA demonstrates against? >>>>> >>>>>Quite frankly, there will always be wolves and other species that >>can >>>>>be hunted and used under certain circumstances, especially by >native >>>>>peoples, Preserving their traditional life style is more >important. >>>>>Dan Matyola >>>>>http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 10:44 PM, knarf <[email protected]> >>>>>wrote: >>>>>> http://www.peterpalms.com/wolf/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Probably made up by some PETA looney to discredit the fur >>>>industry... >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> frank >>>>>> >>>>>> On November 24, 2015 10:33:59 PM EST, "Daniel J. Matyola" >>>>><[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>No store sells wolf fur. Pure propaganda. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Dan Matyola >>>>>>>http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:36 PM, John <[email protected]> >>>>wrote: >>>>>>>> I think that's wolf fur. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 11/23/2015 11:47 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Children are dying of malnutrition; they protest about >>rodents. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dan Matyola >>>>>>>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 7:43 PM, frank theriault >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As we walked downtown yesterday we saw a bunch of police cars >>>in >>>>>>>front >>>>>>>>>> of Holt's, a very upscale department store. An animal rights >>>>>group >>>>>>>was >>>>>>>>>> protesting fur in general, but also the fact that Holt's >sells >>>>>it: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'll likely have a gallery later in the week, but until then, >>>>>this >>>>>>>>>> kind of sums it up: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/11/the-protestor.html >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Fur trim on parkas and coats is unfortunately seeing a >>>>resurgence >>>>>>>>>> around these parts. I'll keep political thoughts to myself. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> cheers, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> frank >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Science - Questions we may never find answers for. >>>>>>>> Religion - Answers we must never question. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly >>>above >>>>>>>and >>>>>>>> follow the directions. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. 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