My purpose here was to celebrate the tree, not its size. And I was doing so to 
please a very nice lady. Hence, I didn’t want to include a figure or anything 
else that might indicate scale but would distract from the tree itself. The 
path is a standard city sidewalk, about five-feet wide. The width of the crown 
is impressive. More than 150 feet I would guess.  But I didn’t make much effort 
to determine the diameter of the trunk or the expanse of the crown. I will 
someday if I’m by there again and have some time to spare. I thought I might 
find that data on the web but all I’ve found is that based on a formula that 
considers height, the width of the crown and the width of the trunk it is tied 
with another tree as largest in the United States. I think there is a larger 
Bebb Oak in Canada. Because Bebb Oaks are hybrids they’re not listed in some of 
the books that recognize record trees. In the end, it’s just a nice tree in a 
very unfortunate spot. I had to dodge rush hour traffic to get a decent pic. 
Apparently rush hour starts before dawn in Rochester Hills.

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 2:08 PM, Larry Colen <> wrote:
> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>> I like this photo as it stands.
>> I'd also like to see a scale photo … something with a person or a car next 
>> to the tree to get a feel for the tree's size.
> Good point.  In case I didn't make it clear, artistically, it is an excellent 
> photo, it would also be nice to see something showing its scale.
>> G
>>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 9:20 AM, Paul Stenquist<>  wrote:
>>> This Rochester Hills, Michigan  tree is said to be the largest Bebb Oak in 
>>> the United States. It measures about ten feet in diameter at its base, and 
>>> one of its weighty limbs rests on the ground. It
>>> is estimated to be at least 250 years old, although that has never been 
>>> determined for certain, because common testing means might injure it. 
>>> Sometimes we’re so caught up in things, it’s hard to see the trees for the 
>>> forest. I must have driven by this massive tree dozens of times since I 
>>> arrived in Michigan and never noticed it. I only discovered it after a lady 
>>> friend, who arrived here from Italy just a dozen years ago or so, pointed 
>>> it out to me and asked if I would photograph it for her. I finally did so 
>>> this morning, just before sunrise. It’s on a busy street, so my angles were 
>>> limited. I cloned out a couple of street signs and a bit of pavement. The 
>>> tree predates them by hundreds of years, so I figured its entitled to a 
>>> clean environment.
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