> On Nov 28, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Bob W-PDML <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 28 Nov 2016, at 17:57, Larry Colen <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Jostein Øksne wrote: >>> I remember one time way back in the gelatine days of photography, that a >>> guy called Shel Belinkoff posted a thematically similar photo. It triggered >>> one of the most on-topic flame wars we ever had. >>> >>> With this photo, I get the feeling of observing a vulnerable person exposed >>> in a vulnerable moment. I tend to side with Ann in finding it crossing a >>> fine line of something negative. Indecency, maybe. >>> Jostein >> >> I think that Marco should change his name to Rorschach. If you don't find >> anything wrong with someone being fat, there is nothing to criticize in the >> photo. Also note that what she is eating is an apple, something people >> attempting to lose weight often eat as they can be filling without a high >> caloric load. >> >> This is exactly the problem with street photography, the photograph itself >> is making no value judgement, however the people looking at it are free to >> be as judgmental as they want. >> > > That's rubbish, and you know it.
You know, you’re certainly welcome to your opinion, but telling someone else what they do or don’t “know” strikes me as a bit presumptuous. > The photographer chooses which pictures to take, and then chooses whether or > not to show them, then chooses how they are shown. No argument there. > Every photograph anyone ever took makes many value judgements. You’ve said above that the *photographer* makes choices (which I guess you equate with “value judgements”). But unless the photographer makes a habit of communicating the reasons he or she made those choices (a habit that I eschew), Larry’s point that the photograph acts as Rorschach into which the viewer can inject their own preconceptions, even as they guess at the photographer’s motivation, seems pretty valid to me. - Marco > > B >> >>> >>> Den 28. november 2016 15.51.08 CET, skrev ann sanfedele<[email protected]>: >>>> It's complicated, but I certainly mocked obesity in some street photos >>>> in the past and I feel bad about it now... though I worry about friends >>>> >>>> who are from a health perspective.. >>>> She also actually has food in her mouth and that is always something I >>>> turn away from no matter who is eating.. >>>> >>>> ann >>>> >>>>> On 11/28/2016 12:09 AM, Marco Alpert wrote: >>>>> Hmm… Interested in how you define “this kind of shot.” >>>>> >>>>> m >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 27, 2016, at 12:01 PM, ann sanfedele<[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>>> Yes - I doubt that sadly overweight young woman would enjoy seeing >>>> this.. >>>>>> I've taken this kind of shot in the past, I'll admit.. but now I >>>> find it difficult to look at... rather like facebook shaming.. >>>>>> ann >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 11/27/2016 2:53 PM, Marco Alpert wrote: >>>>>>> Mean? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> m >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 5:03 PM, ann sanfedele<[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Now that's just mean.. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ann >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 11/26/2016 4:47 PM, Marco Alpert wrote: >>>>>>>>> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso34.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Comments, as always, welcomed. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Marco >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --------------- >>>>>>>>> http://www.alpert.com/marco >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >>>> and follow the directions. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >>>> and follow the directions. >>> >> >> -- >> Larry Colen [email protected] (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> [email protected] >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
