On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 18:38:19 +0000 Bob W-PDML <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 28 Nov 2016, at 17:57, Larry Colen <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Jostein Øksne wrote: > >> I remember one time way back in the gelatine days of photography, > >> that a guy called Shel Belinkoff posted a thematically similar > >> photo. It triggered one of the most on-topic flame wars we ever > >> had. > >> > >> With this photo, I get the feeling of observing a vulnerable > >> person exposed in a vulnerable moment. I tend to side with Ann in > >> finding it crossing a fine line of something negative. Indecency, > >> maybe. Jostein > > > > I think that Marco should change his name to Rorschach. If you > > don't find anything wrong with someone being fat, there is nothing > > to criticize in the photo. Also note that what she is eating is an > > apple, something people attempting to lose weight often eat as they > > can be filling without a high caloric load. > > > > This is exactly the problem with street photography, the photograph > > itself is making no value judgement, however the people looking at > > it are free to be as judgmental as they want. > > That's rubbish, and you know it. The photographer chooses which > pictures to take, and then chooses whether or not to show them, then > chooses how they are shown. Every photograph anyone ever took makes > many value judgements. rather like the classic realism novel which, while presenting itself as portraying reality, is actually a series of selected slices arranged in a way that it represents specific world views. recently i saw the documentary 'the many lives of william klein' (had never heard of him before) and i found him refreshing because of the ways in which he makes the photographer's presence felt, by making the 'artifice' explicit. there is a particularly revealing comparison in the movie between klein and HCB, where the latter is referred to as a 'ghost' that i found fascinating. i find Marco's photographs fascinating and never skip a PESO of his but i tend to agree with Ann and Bob on this particular one. ~subash > > B > > > >> > >> Den 28. november 2016 15.51.08 CET, skrev ann > >> sanfedele<[email protected]>: > >>> It's complicated, but I certainly mocked obesity in some street > >>> photos in the past and I feel bad about it now... though I worry > >>> about friends > >>> > >>> who are from a health perspective.. > >>> She also actually has food in her mouth and that is always > >>> something I turn away from no matter who is eating.. > >>> > >>> ann > >>> > >>>> On 11/28/2016 12:09 AM, Marco Alpert wrote: > >>>> Hmm… Interested in how you define “this kind of shot.” > >>>> > >>>> m > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On Nov 27, 2016, at 12:01 PM, ann sanfedele<[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>>>> Yes - I doubt that sadly overweight young woman would enjoy > >>>>> seeing > >>> this.. > >>>>> I've taken this kind of shot in the past, I'll admit.. but now > >>>>> I > >>> find it difficult to look at... rather like facebook shaming.. > >>>>> ann > >>>>> > >>>>>> On 11/27/2016 2:53 PM, Marco Alpert wrote: > >>>>>> Mean? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> m > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 5:03 PM, ann > >>>>>>> sanfedele<[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>>>>>> Now that's just mean.. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ann > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 11/26/2016 4:47 PM, Marco Alpert wrote: > >>>>>>>> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso34.html > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Comments, as always, welcomed. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -Marco > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> --------------- > >>>>>>>> http://www.alpert.com/marco > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >>>>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly > >>>>>>> above > >>> and follow the directions. > >>>>> -- > >>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly > >>>>> above > >>> and follow the directions. > >> > > > > -- > > Larry Colen [email protected] (postbox on min4est) > > http://red4est.com/lrc > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > [email protected] > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > > and follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
