At 08:25 5/26/2002 -0400, frank theriault wrote:

>I've only used C41 b&w once (it was Ilford, I can't remember the exact 
>type), and I hated the blue/purple cast from the minilab. Said I'd never 
>use the crap again.

Must be XP2, all the others are from Kodak (T400 CN, B&W+, Portra 400 B&W). 
I've used them all and am pressed to see any difference. The Portra seems 
to have somewhat finer grain, whereas the B&W+ has a reputation of being a 
"cheapo".

>I'm wondering if the cast is inevitable from minilabs, but if you get it 
>printed
>on B&W paper maybe it works?  Anyone else out there know?

The cast is 100% the fault of the minilab. My regular shop use color paper 
(Agfa Prestige Digital) and I've hardly ever noticed a cast on any of my 
copies. Mind you, they cost twice as much as the cheapest 
come-back-next-week alternatives.

However, note that all the Kodak films use a brown/yellow base whereas 
Ilford XP2 looks purplish grey like other b&w film. This is supposedly to 
make it easier for minilabs to process (which may account for your 
experiences). The down side is that if you intend to make enlargements in a 
darkroom on vario-contrast paper, the brown base effectively acts as a 
Grade 2 filter which prevents you from making low-contrast prints.

I use b&w with bounce flash a lot for party pix and outdoors at night. 
Minilabs invariably print these as white faces on black backgrounds. The 
grey tones are there, but fiddling with vario-contrast prints in the 
darkroom is the only way to bring them out.


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