I agree with everything you say, Shel, except the last paragraph.  I've only used c41 
b&w
twice.  The first time, I bought Ilford because I was out on a walk, ran out of film, 
and
the minilab that I went into (first and last time) only had c41 b&w.  The next time was
when I bought the Portra a couple of weeks ago, just to see what it was like, since it 
has
gotten rave reviews from some on this list.

I am a committed "real" b&w user - 90% of my shooting is b&w, the majority being either
Tri-X or HP5+.  I just (up to this point) don't develop it myself.

But, once again, your points are well-taken by me.

regards,
frank

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

> Frank,
>
> You can't screw up a nice shot.  If you've got the negative, then you
> can always make another print, or, if you feel particularly insecure,
> the neg can always be taken to a good printer for a final, exhibition
> quality print.
>
> And, by processing your own B&W, you can have absolute control over how
> the negatives turn out - with the processing keyed to your style of
> shooting, and adjusted to even 1/4 stop ISO.  In the long run you'll
> probably end up with more good shots because you'll be able to control
> the entire process.
>
> Plus, C41 B&W teaches you very little about proper exposure.  You're
> trapped into one way of exposing and processing the film, and your
> creativity is limited by the emulsion, film speed, and processing
> requirements.  C41 B&W has its uses, but, IMO, it's a type of film with
> a very limited range.
>
> If you want to grow as a photographer, expand your creativity, and have
> photos that have your own look to them, think about leaving C41 B&W and
> moving to real B&W film.

--
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is
true." -J. Robert
Oppenheimer
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