Aha! They have listened to user feedback then; good. When I tested it, I complained about that and was told they had no plans to fix it, so tough. (Basically.)
So it could be useful after all. On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 4:10 PM Jostein <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks Bruce. > > Just returned home to a wider network pipeline and dug up this statement > at the Affinity user forum: > > "We have registered our own TIFF tags for embedding Affinity layer data > in a TIFF, in similar fashion to PSD layer data. This is intended for > use with DAMs that use TIFF as their interchange format. When saving a > TIFF file, if your document has multiple layers you will be given the > option of including Affinity layer data. This will preserve the > editable elements of a multi-layer document. This obviously comes at a > cost of increased file size. Our TIFF tags will use our proprietary > data format and as such can only be used by Affinity applications. > > At this time we have no plans to save TIFF files with the PSD format > layer data. PSD layer data held in a TIFF file will be imported and > converted to the Affinity format." > > Jostein > > Den 04.11.2018 15:51, skrev Bruce Walker: > > On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 7:42 AM Jostein Øksne <[email protected]> wrote: > >> This saving in Affinity, Bruce... > >> It reads to me like the problem has two components and I'm a little > >> confused about what's what. > >> For starters, you configured Affinity as an external editor in LR, right? > > Right. > > > > > >> Then you invoked Affinity from LR, which makes LR create a TIFF that is > >> opened in Affinity. Hope I'm still on track. > > Correct. Still on track. :-) > > > > > >> Then, when you finished the edit in Affinity, I imagine you saved the TIFF > >> as is. > > Yup. I save the Affinity-edited version. > > > > > >> Here are the things I haven't quite figured out yet... > >> > >> Did the the saved edit of the TIFF then show in LR? If not, could the > >> preview be refreshed to show it? > > Yes, it appears in the Lr Library as expected. > > > > > >> And about the layers... Did Affinity preserve layers in the saved file? > > No, it doesn't, and that's the essential problem. > > Affinity cannot create a layered TIFF like Photoshop. It flattens the > > TIFF so all your intermediate editing steps -- the layers -- are gone > > forever. > > > > As one reviewer pointed out you can save the edited file separately > > from within Affinity as a proprietary Affinity file but Lightroom > > can't manage that as an asset, so it can (and will likely) go astray. > > > > > >> Jostein the slow learner... > > That I doubt. :-) > > > > > >> Den 4. november 2018 02.54.04 CET, skrev Bruce Walker > >> <[email protected]>: > >>> No, no. I was evaluating AP as a possible substitute for Photoshop. So > >>> Edit-in-Affinity must be able to accept a TIFF file, edit that into a > >>> layered TIFF, then write it back to Lightroom, just like Photoshop > >>> does. Ie: the workflow expected by your regular Lightroom user. > >>> > >>> It can't do that. So ... /next/. > >>> > >>> On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 6:16 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi > >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> That’s great, but if you’re using AP as your external editor for LR, > >>> why are you using Photoshop to generate files? > >>>> G > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On Nov 3, 2018, at 1:49 PM, Bruce Walker <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>>>> Godfrey, then it must have been a year ago then. They were pushing > >>> the > >>>>> impending release with a big social media and blogging sites > >>> campaign > >>>>> and urging folks to give the beta a test as it was to be released > >>>>> shortly. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> You don't _make_ a layered file in Lightroom. You receive one back > >>>>> into Lightroom from an external editor, like Photoshop. > >>>>> > >>>>> Example: starting in Lightroom with a DNG file in your library, you > >>>>> invoke Edit-in Photoshop. That sends the file to Photoshop where it > >>>>> appears as a single layer in a freshly opened file. > >>>>> > >>>>> You edit this. Create some adjustment layers. Now Save. > >>>>> > >>>>> That sends the edited copy of the file back to Lightroom as a > >>> layered > >>>>> TIFF where it appears in the catalog as a new file. I stack that > >>> with > >>>>> the original for less confusion. > >>>>> > >>>>> If you re-edit that edited TIFF you will find that the entire thing > >>> is > >>>>> there intact with all layers, meta info, etc. > >>>>> > >>>>> Clear? > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 4:18 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi > >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> Since Affinity Photo was still in beta release in mid-spring of > >>> 2017 and didn't go final until after August 2017 far as I can tell, I > >>> doubt you were working with the "final beta" if it was a couple of > >>> years ago. > >>>>>> I don't really understand the workflow that your comments propose. > >>> I'm not entirely sure how I make a "layered TIFF" or "layered PSD" file > >>> in Lightroom to begin with. Lightroom's use of layers is internal. ?? > >>>>>> But for sure, if it's all of Photoshop that you want, just use > >>> Photoshop. > >>>>>> G > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Nov 3, 2018, at 12:42 PM, Bruce Walker > >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>> I'm certainly willing to update my opinion about Affinity's > >>>>>>> capabilities, but I was unable to complete a review of it myself > >>> when > >>>>>>> I tested their final beta a couple of years ago. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The first issue I had was completely wacky colour shifts when I > >>>>>>> imported a file from Lightroom. I assume they have fixed that by > >>> now. > >>>>>>> But the utter deal-killer was that although you can configure it > >>> as an > >>>>>>> external editor to Lightroom and it will import a layered TIFF, > >>> it > >>>>>>> cannot write a layered TIFF (or a PSD) back to Lightroom. So if I > >>> used > >>>>>>> it as an external editor I lost all my carefully constructed > >>> layers > >>>>>>> when the file was flattened to save it back. That is 100% useless > >>> to > >>>>>>> me as my files often make a few round trips to the external > >>> editor > >>>>>>> while I make revisions, or in the case of long retouch, save > >>>>>>> checkpoints or continue editing later on. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> This is till the case as far as I can tell from googling. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 11:31 AM Mark Roberts > >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>> Bruce Walker wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 7:03 AM Jostein Øksne > >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> Other developers are improving their products too, so > >>> essentially, if they can do now what CS6 can do, it's what I need it > >>> for. > >>>>>>>>> I can say with assurance that they do not. The majority of > >>> these > >>>>>>>>> products are going after the Lightroom market > >>>>>>>> Affinity Photo is not going after Lightroom, it's definitely a > >>>>>>>> Photoshop replacement. I have it and it's *very* good. 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