I don't understand your apparent annoyance. It's the owner's wood, to rot, turn into matchsticks or donate to the resoration of historical artefacts as they please. As P.J. O'Rourke says in your footer.
> On 21 April 2019 at 20:36 "P. J. Alling" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > There's the 64 million dollar question. Even if such wood exists today, > > the owner is unlikely to be willing to allow it to be harvested. > > It's worse than that actually. > > A few years ago, one of the last "untouched" Oak groves in New England > had several trees in the 400 to 500 year age group toppled by high winds > during a Hurricane. The trees were, well to put it bluntly, dead. An > historical preservation group wanted to harvest the wood to do some > restoration work on a number of historic wooden vessels, the USS > Constitution in particular, needed old oak of the proper shape to make > new parts. > > The Conservation group that owned the property, would hear nothing of > that, and, decided that the wood should be left to decay naturally... > > There are a number of problems with this not the least of which is there > hasn't been a truly natural, untouched by the hand of man, forest in New > England for at least 5 thousand years. > > The natives practicing slash and burn agriculture after all, and the > later settlers managing the forests for their own purposes after that. > > In fact the demise of the Passenger Pigeon alone modified the > Northeastern forests so that they can no longer be returned to their > original state. > > Yet, the wood rotted in the forest none the less. > > On 4/21/2019 3:46 AM, mike wilson wrote: > > There's the 64 million dollar question. Even if such wood exists today, > > the owner is unlikely to be willing to allow it to be harvested. > > > > ND is in an unusual (but not unique) position - it's a historical artefact > > that can still function for its intended purpose. It therefore behoves us > > as its temporary guardians to inflict as little change as possible. How > > that's going to be done is the interesting question. Windsor castle showed > > that restoration is possible on a smaller scale. Not least because this is > > unlikely to be the only instance, larger scale work needs a game plan. > > Nelson planted a tree for every one he harvested - that's the sort of > > forward thinking that needs to be done right now. I'm not confident. > > > >> On 21 April 2019 at 00:30 John <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > >> In that case, where are they going to get the timbers they're going to > >> need? > >> > >> Seems to me the "wasn't done that way when ND was constructed" argument is > >> going > >> to apply to anything they might be able to do today, which means they're > >> left > >> trying to find the least historically incorrect way of rebuilding. > >> > >> On 4/20/2019 02:28:20, mike wilson wrote: > >>> Glulam falls down (possibly literally) in the jointing. The whole point > >>> of using green oak is that the joints tighten up as the wood seasons in > >>> the building, reducing to neglibility the need for joint maintenance. > >>> The system works, as can be seen in the large number of buildings that > >>> are approaching a millenium in age. In contrast, the oldest glulam > >>> building is not even 200 years old. The biggest argument against it, > >>> however, is that it wasn't done that way when ND was constructed. > >>> > >>> > >>>> On 19 April 2019 at 04:49 John <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glued_laminated_timber > >>>> > >>>> On 4/18/2019 03:46:33, Bob Pdml wrote: > >>>>>> I expect the oak will be replaced with some kind of engineered wood > >>>>>> beams. > >>>>> > >>>>> That would be the architectural equivalent of this: > >>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19349921 > >>>>> > >>>>> On the other hand it was the French who gave us post-modernism and a > >>>>> love of fragmentation and the simulacrum, so perhaps it's not a bad > >>>>> idea. > >>>>> > >>>>> Apparently a US researcher recently laser-scanned the whole thing, so > >>>>> maybe we could just 3D-print a new one, in resin made from harvested > >>>>> ocean plastic. > >>>>> > >>>>> https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/future-of-notre-dame > >>>>> > >>>>> B > >>>>> > >>>>>> On 18 Apr 2019, at 01:00, John <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> It took 182 years to build it the first time, so if it takes longer > >>>>>> than 5 years for the repairs that's not such a big deal. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Carpenters can be trained. If it takes 40 years to rebuild it, that's > >>>>>> a career. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The oak might be another problem, but I expect the oak will be > >>>>>> replaced with some kind of engineered wood beams. Nor will it surprise > >>>>>> me if there's a lot of international support for the reconstruction. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 4/17/2019 13:52:11, Bob Pdml wrote: > >>>>>>> French people are saying 'typical Macron, promising something when he > >>>>>>> has no idea whether it is possible or not'. One article i read > >>>>>>> suggests that it will take up to 40 years. The bishop has already > >>>>>>> said it will be closed for at least 5 or 6. > >>>>>>> One of the problems is that there aren't enough oak trees or > >>>>>>> carpenters with the right skills > >>>>>>>> On 17 Apr 2019, at 17:52, Paul Stenquist <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks to all who commented or had a look. In the hours since this > >>>>>>>> tragedy it’s become obvious that the cathedral can be restored. I > >>>>>>>> will take year -- Macron says 5 years — but it will be worth the > >>>>>>>> wait. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2019, at 3:12 PM, Paul Stenquist > >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I’m catholic only by birth not by practice, but watching Notre Dame > >>>>>>>>> burn last night was crushing. I immediately recalled how I was > >>>>>>>>> overwhelmed by the majesty and history of this ancient cathedral > >>>>>>>>> when I visited it on a spring afternoon in 2003. Extending a > >>>>>>>>> business trip by a day, I wandered the streets of Paris with my > >>>>>>>>> Leica iiif RD and Summicron 50/2 Collapsible, alternately shooting > >>>>>>>>> tribute-x and Portra 400. I had the color neg film loaded when I > >>>>>>>>> stopped in the cathedral and captured a few images as best I could, > >>>>>>>>> given the faded mirror of my Leica and the dim lighting. Yesterday, > >>>>>>>>> I wondered what had become of those images. I found an envelope > >>>>>>>>> that contained the negatives and camera store prints and scanned a > >>>>>>>>> few of the negatives. Today, I assembled a small gallery. > >>>>>>>>> https://www.photo.net/gallery/1109648#//Sort-Newest/All-Categories/All-Time/Page-1 > > -- > America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. > America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. > - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
